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The Rocky Spanish Coast

On the Facebook Wall

I was just at Facebook in New York City and I signed the Facebook Wall at Facebook! Can you find my name on there? There’s many other names on there too hidden around… like Madonna and Jimmy Fallon.

Ghosted Waters

As many of you know, I use Photomatix Pro (Photomatix Review) to process my photos. Often times, when combining multiple photos of waves, the water becomes “ghosted” as it averages out all the waves. I usually don’t really mind that, and I feel it gives the ocean a sense of painterly motion…. what do you think?

Daily Photo – The Rocky Spanish Coast

Here is another part of the beach in Ibiza. I guess I could have been off taking photos of topless Euros, but I found the rocks so much more interesting. This is the problem with photographers… whenever we see someone taking a photo of a girl, we are more likely to look at the camera than the girl! :)

The Rocky Spanish Coast

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  • ISO100
  • Focal Length16mm (16mm in 35mm)
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  • susan ratcliff

    Beautiful shot – and the water looks so natural to me – I think photographers look at the camera and the girl! :)

  • Casper van Zyl

    Nice picture Trey , but you did not mention the binoculars you have in your bag of tricks.hehe!! Also Susan is right else how would you get composition.I don’t know excuses,excuses!!

  • Michael Smith

    Great pic Trey, love the detail in the foreground rocks!

  • Bob Prangnell

    Sorry Trey but I find rocks in the foreground, water in the middle and a sunset in the background a bit cliched. To show what I mean, there are at least 16 shots with this composition pattern on the front page of hdrspotting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Doriesmom Gail Stayton Moshier

    Very beautiful photo, Trey!!! Have a wonderful weekend!! :-)

  • Trey Ratcliff

    Thanks!

  • Trey Ratcliff

    CLiched! hehe… If you had a home here on the beach, you sit out on your porch and say, “Oh my god, this view is so cliche!”

  • DennyLittle

    Yes sitting on the beach and watching the water is one of my favorite things to do.

  • Richard Bell

    I think they look at the girl, looking for the right angle to take the photo. always thinking about the next shot.

  • Richard Bell

    As for Cliched… Several people can take a pic of the same thing, but maybe 1 in 100,000 can make it art. This is art.

  • Rob Taylor

    Man, those 17th century painters were co clichéd!

    Foreground, middleground and background are one of the foundations of landscape art, regardless of medium. Out of interest, how otherwise would you propose making an image of a beach sunset?

  • Don Denesiuk

    I’m not a psychologist, but when I play one in comment threads, I wonder if your reaction to a thoughtless comment doesn’t point to something deeper that’s bugging you. It brings to my mind the Elvis Costello tune “All this Useless Beauty” and the thought that if you could travel to every beautiful coastline and see every beautiful sunset and make beautiful photographs of all of them would that provide continued personal satisfaction? I sense you feel the need to ‘kick it up a notch’ and may be at a loss to find which direction to go to do that. But that’s just me. ;)

  • Maverick24

    Definitely agree on what Photomatix does to water. Call it a fringe perk of HDR.

    Lovely shot as usual. Girl or no girl.

  • paulbellinger

    These kind of views never get old for me. Maybe it’s because I’m from Nebraska and we have no coast! You’re the master of Photomatix.

  • http://www.quiettime.org/ Catherine Martin

    I love this – I wish I could be sitting on the rock at this very moment and taking pictures. I love the painterly look, by the way. It’s really how it feels where you are actually there, drinking it all in.

  • Bob Prangnell

    It’s photos of such. Not old paintings or actual views, although any view you can get bored with.

  • Bob Prangnell

    It tickles me the way the fan club always jumps to Trey’s defence. Art is in the eye of the beholder. To me that’s a snapshot, not art.

  • Bob Prangnell

    As many do, I used to like taking pics of sunrises and sunsets, but it got old. Now I groan at most sunrise/sunset pics. And if the rocks appear in the foreground and water in the middle then it’s a complete groan. Art, imho, is about creativity and I don’t see what’s creative about pumping out variations on a tired theme. (Also : is part of the art to have not straightened the horizon?). That’s not to say that the light is great either side of sunsets/sunrises, but there are many many ways of taking advantage of this. Art is not just pretty colors. And I wonder about people who declare Trey to be “the” master of this or that (HDR, photomatix, etc) actually have looked at many other examples of other’s work. I know I have. I barely glance at this site, but spend a lot of time searching for great pics to look at. I do admire Trey’s work ethic and his commercial sense – he’s managed to build a great business. But is it high art? I don’t think so.

  • Bob Prangnell

    I would have picked a different subject. It’s begging the question to suggest that the only available shot was a beach sunset.

  • http://www.chrisharnish.com/ Christopher Harnish

    Things become cliche – i guess- when many people love it! Like the cliche wedding pose- (but every bride wants that!) I would say the problem is becoming “jaded”, like when you’ve had enough of beautiful sunsets.

    Anyway- 3/4 of the time I am happy with the “blended” look of water in Photomatix. If it’s too muddy, it easy to blend in 1 of the better exposures, I think.

  • Bob Prangnell

    No, that’s not what a cliche is. A cliche is an expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has been overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, especially when at some earlier time it was considered meaningful or novel (eg by painters). (From Wikipedia).

    I don’t think wedding pictures are usually considered artistic (well, mostly not). So that doesn’t apply.

    As for cool water effects, I’d recommend you try a neutral density (ND) filter. This lets you vary the exposure time from just slightly longer than normal up to many seconds. Depending on the exposure, you get different effects.

  • http://www.stuckincustoms.com/ Luke Lakatosh (SIC Support)

    See, “Art is in the eye of the beholder,” doesn’t really jibe with the rest of what you’re saying, though. That is the great thing about art – it is ephemeral and subjective.

    Yes, I work for Trey and come from a biased viewpoint. That doesn’t mean I can’t criticize – some of his images are better than others, and I can and do tell him so, as do many. On the other hand, though, you do frequently comment on this site with what you present to be objective arguments about the quality of Trey’s work and frequently criticize those who don’t agree with you. You commonly allude that those who don’t agree with you have just “drank the Kool-Aid” and don’t know what real art or photography is, peppered with compliments about his “business sense” or “self-promotion” which actually are just more thinly-veiled criticisms of the work itself. (By suggesting that it’s his marketing alone, and not the value of the work, that has millions of people interested in it.)

    Have you considered the possibility that you may be the one missing the point, and those who argue with you aren’t defending Trey, but rather their own statements about his art? There is a difference between the two.

    Typically I wouldn’t respond – I read the comments mainly to look for support issues and don’t really have the time to engage much. However, you always seem somewhat upset, and as a fan of Trey’s (independent of being an employee) I take exception to your many statements that suggest that your point of view is fact, and if I don’t agree, I just don’t know better.

    Again, we don’t mind criticism, but we want you to enjoy your time here on the site. You very rarely seem to – but perhaps stirring the pot is what you enjoy. I just wonder how compelling it can possibly be to have you doing it as much as you do.

  • Bob Prangnell

    Well Luke, I’m sorry that you read my comments that way. I am fully aware that my comments are only my point of view. Let’s see, what my original comment on this thread said ”
    Sorry Trey but I find rocks in the foreground, water in the middle and a sunset in the background a bit cliched.” which I then backed up somewhat by listing the number of similar shots on hdrspotting. To me, saying “I find…” implies that it’s my opinion. Compare for instance the reply ”
    Several people can take a pic of the same thing, but maybe 1 in 100,000 can make it art. This is art. ” – This is art. That sounds much more like a statement of fact than “I find this to be cliched”. Later comments are discussing the meaning of “cliche”, which unlike art, is better defined. I was arguing that some had misunderstood or misrepresented what a cliche is, including Trey.

    Reading back over my past comments, and the replies they have evoked, I must say that it seems to me that the people who reply are often much more emphatic about telling me that I’m wrong that I ever am about saying I’m right. So it seems to me that it’s ok to make objective-sounding statements, as long as they say positive things about Trey’s work. But I get lambasted for making less objective-sounding negative comments.

    I often find the comment threads here pretty boring in that they are usually full of “that’s wonderful” kind of comments, which of course there’s nothing wrong with, but are not very stimulating. I much prefer discussions that have some substance.

    Now as for my reasons for commenting here, it’s got nothing to do with stirring the pot. No, what motivates me is that I know Trey is capable of some pretty fine shots, but it bugs me to see him pumping out the same sort of thing, eg rocks and sunsets. He was in Spain and he’s taking shots that could be from anywhere (sunsets, water and rocks being quite similar the world over).

    It’s sad that you take positive things that I say and twist them to make out I am making thinly veiled criticism. I run my own business and know how hard it is to market effectively. There are plenty of photographers that are as good as Trey who don’t have anything like his following. And I know he works his butt off on SIC.

  • Don Denesiuk

    Well I have to admit it appears I was wrong. Sometimes it’s not inner needs that causes one to appear to over react, it’s that some things can be that troubling, like trying to think the best of people and understand why it seems they like to crash parties just to poop in the punch bowl. It is psychological but has nothing to do with Trey’s.

  • http://www.chrisharnish.com/ Christopher Harnish

    Ha ha! Thanks for the wiki copy and paste! I’m aware of the definition without a Google search. As a matter of fact, I did not attempt to define it in my comment. I merely pointed out that a cliche begins when people admire an element in a work and begin to imitate it. In other words, it catches on. For some, like yourself, rocks, water and sunsets have become boring. And wedding albums should be documentaries.

    I am glad most people feel differently.

    I agree, however, about the use of ND filters for water effects though I’m not sure what that has to do with Trey’s question that was specific to Photomatix. I may have to put my ND filters up for sale, though. I fear that all these beautiful long exposures that I am seeing will soon just be too cliche….

  • http://www.stuckincustoms.com/ Luke Lakatosh (SIC Support)

    Fair enough. To clarify – I was referring to your comments over the last year and possibly longer, as I have read every comment on this site for the last two years or more. It’s a general impression of your approach and feelings towards Trey over that course of time.

    Also, perhaps you a just unlucky in when you visit the site (or selective in when you comment). People like to see sunsets over oceans, and even if they’re old hat or a bit banal compared to some of what Trey is able to do, there’s also a universal beauty in them. There’s a reason people like them. However, if you click over to the Ibiza or Spain category, you’ll see PLENTY of images that break the norm and are a little less “cliched” than this beach photo. Even by your argument, just because “Trey is capable of better” doesn’t mean those “better” different shots don’t exist.

  • Bob Prangnell

    Luke

    I’ve been looking over my previous comments and thinking about what you have said.

    >> “On the other hand, though, you do frequently comment on this site with what you present to be objective arguments about the quality of Trey’s work and frequently criticize those who don’t agree with you.”

    I’d like to point out that I do not state that my opinions are somehow objective fact. Also I mostly make critical comments about the current picture, and only critisize others in response.

    However, I don’t see you rushing to condemn people who state their opinions as fact or critisize people like me; no, it’s not these things that you are really taking a dislike to. If they come out with “This is art” then that’s OK but if I say “This is not art” that’s not OK.

    It’s the fact that I do it in a supposedly negative way. And yet you say that you don’t mind critisism.

    Another thing you say:

    “Have you considered the possibility that you may be the one missing the point, and those who argue with you aren’t defending Trey, but rather their own statements about his art? There is a difference between the two.”

    I’m aware that people can differ in their opinions of things, due to a multitude of reasons. I fail to see why someone who can’t see how great Trey’s Art is, is somehow missing the point. The point is just an opinion and not everybody has to have the same one, right?

    But I can see that critisism is not welcome (strange because I and many others go out of our way to get critisism, in our photos for example), for the times Trey has replied to a point he’s basically laughed or made some snide comment. And I remember the times he’s gone out of hs way to ridicule his detractors.

    So anyway, I will forget it. I won’t speak here again.

  • http://www.stuckincustoms.com/ Luke Lakatosh (SIC Support)

    I’m sorry that you’ve misinterpreted my intent. I wouldn’t say I’m “rushing” to anything, as I’ve been reading your comments from various aliases for at least a year.

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