The Art Hangar

The Tobolowsky Files

So, while at EG, the very first speaker was Stephen Tobolowsky. He was hilarious, and, to my surprise, he told a long story that centered around Icelandic Horses. I talked to him later when we ran into one another at coffee, and he was super-nice. And no, he wasn’t the one I referred to early in the Matt Groening post. They are both nice in an unassuming Hollywood-way, and that is cool in my book.

I just found out that he has a podcast called “The Tobolowsky Files” that you might enjoy if you have a giant gap in your life and you have no idea how to fill it.

Icelandic Horse Photos

Speaking of Icelandic Horses, here are my favorite Icelandic Horse Photos:

Daily Photo – The Art Hangar

The Millennium Bridge crosses the Thames and terminates here, at the Tate Museum. They don’t like you to take photos in here. Heaven forbid someone should make art in a museum.

I mean really… isn’t it insulting? Who runs the committee at the Tate that decides, “Oh, we mustn’t let people take photos in this part of the museum. They might be making art! What possible reason would they have? Quite nefarious, no doubt!”

Anyway, I find it insulting how these museums treat me like a child. I hope they secretly have somewhat empty lives… and perhaps when they are in some ultra-modern part of the museum and prattling on about the hidden meaning of clump of steel and fluff… that they secretly know they are just spouting a bunch of nonsense in a grandiose effort to placate other fakers around them.

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  • http://photostry.com Kristi Hines

    I think you should have posted the silly horsey and the ones doing the naughty for artistic humor! :)

  • http://theperfectsunset.net Jason Hines

    This place looks very interesting, it’s a pity they don’t like art. I don’t understand why establishments get up in arms about taking photos or using a tripod. I’ve heard Vegas hotels are the worst about this which I’ll find out for myself this summer when we attend the Star Trek convention. Should be fun seeing how many hotels kick us out.

  • http://www.flickr.com/people/jpaxonreyes/ J. Paxon Reyes

    That’s the biggest critique I have of you. The “committee” responsible for these rules may or may not have reasons for them. But if you go into their museum shouldn’t you be expected to follow their rules? What humble reason let’s you pick which rule to follow in their house?

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/neilarmstrong2/ Neil Kremer

    I’ll bite, how did you get the shot?

  • Patrick Ahles

    @J. Paxon Reyes: I did some googling, and as far as I know, the Tate is funded by tax payers money. Should some “committee” have the right to impose restrictions on photographing the works they house or the building itself?

  • http://www.matthewhalstead.com Matt Halstead

    @ Patrick – Regardless of who funds the Tate, any management regime is responsible for the artwork within the building. That’s both a privilidge and a big responsibility, so they can’t risk any damage to the installations by folk wandering around blasting away with flash. If this did happen then they would be letting down the tax payer, i.e. jo public who may not have had an opportunity to view the works. It would also be a lot of red tape allowing only people photography without flash, or indeed in areas where there are no artworks i.e. photos of the building.

    @ Trey – I agree with J Paxon, no one forced you to go in there and shoot, also a little bit harsh with your criticism, did you evenhave to pay to go in? No! :)

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrandybird/4990705443/ Andy Bird

    Yeah i agree with every word you say Trey. I had a bunch of lecturers at college who hated anything that threatened their ideals which was partly arrogance on their part and partly because in reality they were talentless twits who thought that splashing paint on a page like a 5 year old was more important than developing the talent of others.

    The UK is terrible for getting in the faces of photographers. I was down at the River Clyde in Glasgow taking photos next to the Science Centre at roughly 8am when i was asked to move on by science centre security even though I was about 50 yards away from the building with my camera pointed in the opposite direction from the building. Whe I asked the guy why i was being moved on he spouted a whole heap of nonsense saying that he didn’t want his bosses in the science centre getting into trouble from bosses in the nearby BBC TV studios incase I was taking photos of them from near the science centre…..makes no sense whatsoever but that was his excuse!

    Patrick is right If the place is funded by the taxpayer then surely we must have some rights and freedom within the building.

  • http://jlopez.ende.cc javier

    Lol, Trey the “Art Hangar” is called “The Turbine Hall”, the building used to be a factory, not a hangar ;-P
    I have only had problems in London museums whenever I tried using a tripod, by some reason they are very wary of tripods. Of course I understand they don’t want you taking pictures of any art in display (they’d rather have you buying them in the gift shop), but in this particular museum I never had trouble shooting handheld from the turbine hall or from the panoramic in the cafe in the 7th floor.
    But yeah, what to say, overall British authorities are not the most amicable when it comes down to photographers. Try taking a picture of anything in the Canary Wharf and you’ll get a bunch of security guards around you in no time :-/

  • Simon Morris

    I like the contrast in colour between the green boxed viewing areas and the steel structure… riveted columns down the lefthand side also look good!
    Trey – I hear your frustration regarding rules and regulations, it’s a crazy world we live in at times! In fact, I’m surprised security haven’t asked the gentleman that’s squatting on the floor to leave the premises – maybe he’s a photographer, protesting having had his toys taken from him by ‘the management’ ;-)

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/edenbrackstone/5383535031/ Eden Brackstone

    Love the humor in this post mate, I needed a good laugh! My photography is taking a back seat to me fixing my dads truck that recently blew up, haha… Been eyeball deep in oil for the past few nights. Care to see the state of our workshop? Here:
    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=98799&id=1587535260&l=5f721013ab
    No small task! Mind you it’s interesting & we are learning a lot along the way. I’ll be out amongst the autumn colors soon though ;)

  • http://none Louis

    I was a member of a photographic club and with my mates we decided to sell our photos in the park. Well there was an art exhibition close at hand and about 5 members came over to see our pics (art).Well to our surprise the one gent if I may call him that said to me do you call that art. As they were black and white pics I answered with a question,do you not think Sir that if i took an amazing picture in colour and it was to your approval but i printed in black and white and it turned out even more dramatic than the colour photo,would you not tell me that i was creative.He then said yes! well sir I said still giving him a knight hood,you have just told me I’m an artist. With that his mates laughed at him and they all walked away. So don’t worry about these so called art galleries we as photographers are right up there with the best even tho they may not think so. Just let all of us keep up the good work and enjoy what we do and share with the world

  • http://Www.danroads.com Dan Roads

    Hahaha the horse description made me laugh
    ;) got to post some funny pics on your adventures!

    I was out with a friend not so long ago and saw a bunch of sheep, we started snapping away and then one of them mounted another so we snapped away even more haha was a funny day.

    Im surprised you left the windows at the top as they are? Thought you would of merged in a under exposed shot to get the sky through? But guess it would of looked abit un-natural. Strange one this. :).
    I like the girl sat down, gives it a more artistic feel, careful… That could be classed as art now :/ haha

  • raunak

    want to take photos without being disturbed and with full freedom ? come and visit hong kong. .you can go anywhere at any time of the day and set up your tripod and take photos all day long. .No one will bat an eyelid. .Hong Kongers will go on with their lives as you don’t exist. .brilliant. .anyone into street photography, architecture. .you have to visit hong kong. . 14 day free visa too. .on arrival. .!

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/shuttersnapsphotography/ Matt Moser

    Regardless the fact that they are snub, I still enjoy this shot. I love the time-flow of the people in the building. Kudos for you making art in a place that restrict it, at the least.

  • Frank

    I can understand that in a lawsuit happy world, the owners of public places can be paranoid over someone tripping over the leg of a tripod and entering the “poor man’s lottery” with their lawyer! Other’s may have the impression that you are looking for places to plant a bomb.

    Rarely can you change the world, but a smart person takes the time to learn the rules (rather than fight a losing battle) and applies them to their benefit. Trey, you have shown yourself to be very wise in knowing where to pick a fight and where to use (or bend) the sometimes ridiculous rules to advantage.

  • Susan

    Cool shot Trey – glad you managed to get this one!

  • Gail in Montana

    Great photo, Trey, and nice Horsey photos, too!!! Have to get going, so have a wonderful day!! :-)

  • http://www.gutterballphotography.com Corey

    How funny! I am not sure if you did this on purpose, but your little rant about the museum(toward the end) sounded just like Holden Caulfield the main character in The Catcher in The Rye. I know what you mean though. The Horton Plaza mall in downtown San Diego kicked me out for trying to take pictures of the structure, which was designed really rad. The security officer told me it was their policy since 9/11. Apparently terrosists hate over priced retail stores also. LoL

  • http://www.stuckincustoms.com Trey Ratcliff

    Thanks all…

    And I don’t think I’m being harsh… I’m just critical of their policy. I’m clearly not causing any harm… The artistic side of me simply feels wronged when I body of people decide when and where I am allowed to create art.

    Louis – funny story hehe

    Dan – sometimes not doing “everything” in HDR and leaving some mystery, unknowns, unquantifiables… are important to me.

  • http://michael.tyson.id.au Michael Tyson

    I’ve been reading a bit about the Myers-Briggs Personality Type framework lately, so I found it entertaining to read the reactions to your maverick rule-breaking. Some people *really* get riled up when others break rules. One of the gifts of judging types includes exercise of authority: “The judging types want to see other people conform to their standards and are usually glad to advise them”. A gift of perceptive types (that would be you) on the other hand is tolerance: “The ‘live and let live’ attitude arises partly from reluctance to settle things for other people and partly from perceptive recognition that there can be a variety of legitimate standards”. It’s a very useful (and kind) lens through which to view others.

  • http://www.stuckincustoms.com Trey Ratcliff

    Hehe yes…. I’m definitely an ENTJ.

    And… also… on the other 9-square grid of the RPG world, I’m Chaotic Neutral.

  • http://www.jonwhitephotography.com jon white

    3 cheers for the Chaotic Neutrals! Trey, can I simply ask if you used your tripod here? I wanna bust on down the tate myself before Ai wei wei finishes (hope i spelt that correctly), feels apt I should take on the authorities single handed, with nothing but my trusty manfrottto!

  • http://www.laskowitzpictures.com Ray

    Come to New Mexico or anywhere there is American Indian land. You’ll get a quick lesson in where you can’t make pictures. Not only are you prohibited from photographing; but you cannot draw, sketch or paint. Signs are posted the minute you cross onto their land. Some times you can arrange permission to shoot something specific by talking with the tribal governor. But even then, the BIA police will be on top of you in minutes. And, even with permission there are vert strict prohibitions on where you can make pictures.

    As far as Las Vegas hotels go, there is no problem photographing in them. I suspect that you really mean the casino portion of the property. The prohibitions are in place to prevent various kinds of scams and potential robberies. Remember we are talking huge money there. Trust me. The eye in the sky will find you if you do much beyond take a snapshot. The best thing you can do is talk to the hotel/casino’s marketing department to arrange some sort of permission.

  • http://www.tlinn.com t.linn

    I completely understand the frustration of not being able to photograph in a museum. That is one of the reasons I try to be respectful of the rules in museums like the Louvre that do allow photography but not, for example, tripods.

    There are very legitimate reasons for not allowing any photography in museums beyond the goal of having visitors buy postcards. The use of strobes is damaging to many types of artwork over time. While it is easy to think the solution would be to ban *flash* photography, most people don’t know how to control the flash on their phones and digicams, much less turn it off. It’s a bummer for those of us who do.

    Having said that, nice shot, Trey!

  • http://www.tlinn.com t.linn

    One other comment: the horses below the Impossible Mountains…stunning! (This is the shot beneath Horsey #1 after clicking the link.)

  • http://www.tlinn.com t.linn

    @Ray – Can you imagine how sweet Monument Valley would be if it were controlled by the National Park Service and not the Navajo?

  • http://kirantarun.com/lens Kiran

    Recently there are many places that has no-photo policy. Most of those places has no threat what-so-ever, but policies are meant to be broken, sometimes aight? ;)

  • http://www.stuckincustoms.com Trey Ratcliff

    Yes – I used my tripod here… I took a lot of shots before security told me to stop… (and I don’t use flashes, btw, but I figure most ppl know this)

  • http://dustysneakers.smugmug.com Stephan

    Reading this post and its comments made me think of someting.
    The museum might be a public building, but the art in it might not necesarily be owned by that museum. It happens very often that a museum has an artwork on loan from a private collection (I was at the Tate a few years ago during a Hopper exhibit of which most of the paintings were in private hands). Now, perhaps that some of these owners might have agreements and contracts in place when it comes to re-prints, lithos, coffee-mugs and stuff like that, and maybe that could be a reason why a museum might get a bit itchy if images are taken? because of fear of re-distribution of artwork that’s not theirs but is just in their house?
    Of course, then anyone can say ‘hey, I’m an amateur, I dont distribute images of your paintings’, but with that in mind I could understand why a museum might take the easy route and just ban it all to gether, rather than allowing some, and disallowing others…
    Bare in mind, this is just a guy trying to make sense of their restrictions and no defence of the Tate – I am not really all that familiar with the museum rule-book ;)

    That said, an amazing picture again! I am always too nervous to take pictures in places where I ought to not take them, so all the more respect for someone who can pull it off with an amazing photo as a result! well done Trey!

  • http://phxdp.blogspot.com Sharon (Phoenix Daily Photo)

    I recognized this place the second I saw the photo. I love going there. I enjoyed you comments. The last time I was there I took many photos and no one said anything to me but, then I just whipped out a camera and took the shot. I didn’t set a tripod. I bet that would send the guards into action.

  • Chaz

    Great commentary! I agree wholeheartedly. Life is temporary and in reality no on owns anything anyway.

  • http://michael.tyson.id.au Michael Tyson

    Huh, I was so sure you’d be an ENFP! I guess 50% correct isn’t too bad for someone I’ve never actually met. Dude, you sound kind of intimidating: http://personalitypage.com/ENTJ.html :P

  • Thomas Brouwer

    The art cops at the Tate also asked me to stop shooting while I was there a couple of years ago too. I just kept shooting my TSE 24mm HDR panorama as I discussed the situation with the person. This is getting more and more common everywhere I have been ( shooting professionally in some 70+ countries). Even some years ago while in Taiwan I visited many tea houses and every one of them has a sign posted that forbids photography due to the fact that they work really hard and spend a lot of money making a great environment to drink tea in. So my guess is that the Tate forbids photography due to the fact that it has lots of visitors who are not there to make photos but to view the art and who do not want to be part of someone’s personal photo project. Also, if you were able to do a photo shoot inside the Tate they would want to somehow benefit from it. Many churches in Europe (most are now museums, no longer places of worship) also ban people with tripods due to the tripping hazard they can become for other guests. I respect the rules that are laid down and don’t try to pirate my way around them – bad PR for all photographers for one to be a rebel.

  • David Woods

    Trey and all,

    I have just been to the Tate Modern after checking the rules and regulations they impose on the “humble photographer” they can be found on the following web link..http://www.tate.org.uk/information/regulations/ and state the following:

    “Photography and video

    Photography in the main galleries is allowed for personal, non-commercial purposes only. The use of flash and tripods is prohibited. Unless permission has been granted by Tate, images cannot be reproduced in any format or media other than for private viewing

    Photography in the paying exhibitions is not permitted at any time.”

    So set the ISO for hand held and away you go. Single Raw HDR !!

    I had no problems from staff or others on the NON Pay to View Floors.

    In fact I am going back !! I aim to use a monopod this trip !!

    Regards

    David

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