Apple is dead to me… I’m switching to Windows!

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Switching from a Mac to Windows PC

I converted to Apple over 5 years ago when it was clear to me Apple made the best products for creative professionals. I loved Apple and became a hardcore fanboy. I was all-in. Now, I’m switching back to PCs. The new line of MacBook Pros are not-that-awesome. Apple has always been a company that makes beautiful, well-designed products (and still does), but they’ve started to put an emphasis on sleek design form over professional function.

Why am I switching from a Mac to a PC?

I need a more powerful machine that can handle a LOT. I doubt I’m the only creative professional in this situation. Nowadays, my camera’s RAW files are bigger (I use a Hasselblad X1D, but my MacBook was still choking with my Sony A7Rii files), and I do a lot of video work as well. I simply need a workhorse. It’s too bad that Apple has chosen not to care so much about the creative professional; we were the ones that got them through the lean years. Oh well…

Unboxing the Beast

Nothing better than unboxing a new toy! I also advise not using a corkscrew to unbox anything… even though I’ve probably done it over a dozen times, I haven’t improved.

More reasons for the Switch

Windows 10 is getting really good, and Microsoft really seems to be innovating. I’m impressed and never thought I’d see the day… I thought they might just spiral down like IBM or WANG, but I’m happy they are making a come back.

I’m also not an iPhone user, having switched to Android a long time ago. The new Google Pixel phone simply amazing! I’m pretty objective, and it is just a better phone all around, and it gets you out of that ridiculous closed Apple ecosystem.

Even though I had a Macbook and an iPad, I always found the ecosystem to be quite confusing. iCloud will NOT stop demanding my family and I pay it more money. I never liked the Apple software apps like Mail (I use Google Inbox) or Apple Maps (I use Google Maps). While I was using Apple Photos to organize my final portfolio shots, I found it to be somewhat confusing and not as powerful as I needed it to be.

Another reason is I really want to get into VR more and you need a powerful Windows machine for that. I want to do 360 art, play 360 games, and all that fun stuff. I’m a big gamer, and I like the idea of playing all those Steam games on my Windows laptop and even my tablet (I got the Surface Pro as well).

How’s the Switch Going?

Great! It hasn’t been as hard to switch to Windows 10 as I thought. Most of my woes have been around adjusting my photography workflow, but I needed to update that anyway. I was heavily reliant on a workflow where I had combined Adobe Lightroom and Apple Photos (formerly iPhoto), because I liked to keep my final portfolio in Photos. It synced nicely to my iPad and everything.

Basically, I want to do everything on a big beefy laptop but also have a light tablet-like computer for more casual things.

My Shopping list – Essentials

I used to build my own PC gaming machines back in the day before I switched to Apple. I did a ton of of my own research this time around, and I remembered back in the day when I would build my own gaming PCs that I bought everything from Newegg! When I decided to switch, I called up my contacts over there to send over some of the goodies listed in this article and I’d link to them in this Switch Guide… so here we go! 🙂

Bonus Items

Here are some other goodies I got for the Windows ecosystem:

Bonus Desktop Computer – Microsoft Surface Studio

I’ve recently added a second Windows computer to my mix – a desktop! I set up this desktop computer in my studio at home to serve as the mothership for everything. I have the new Microsoft Surface Studio, and it is amazing! If you don’t know about this computer, be sure to check out this video. How awesome, eh? Honestly, this screen is bigger and more beautiful than any of my Macs. Apple used to have a monopoly on this stuff, but no more. I love this machine!

Here’s a Strange Reason to Switch

I’ll give you a somewhat strange reason (but not my main reason). It gives you a chance to clean all your stuff up and re-organize. It’s literally like moving into a new house. It’s a pain, but it can also be kind of fun! Also, counter-intuitively it’s good for creatives to “mix things up” from time to time and be a bit uncomfortable. I’m not going to get all philosophical here, but maybe you know what I mean. You can read more about my new storage in Step 4 below.

Switching while on the Go

The switch from Mac to Windows is challenging enough but I also did it while on a family vacation, moving from location to location. I was actually in the middle of a 60-day photo adventure around the world with my the wife and kids and everything. Balancing all that, the photography, AND a computer OS/hardware switch was quite the Olympian feat, I must say! 🙂


Trey’s Guide for Creative Professionals to Switch from Mac to Windows

This guide is a bit Trey-centric because, well, I am. Although from what I can tell, I have a fairly typical setup for a photography workflow. I mostly use Adobe products, which takes away 80% of the switching pain. I’d say the other 20% is a combination of finding those “little” apps you liked so much on the Mac and finding their counterparts on Windows. Well that, and getting used to the new UI!

Step 1 – Get your essential programs up and running

There’s an old joke about Internet Explorer – the first thing you do with it is download Google Chrome. That joke is so old now that Internet Explorer has been replaced by “Edge,” but you can still download Chrome. Actually, I used Edge a bit and it’s pretty good. They say that it’s more optimized for Windows 10, but I can’t tell any difference yet.

Here’s a list of the most important things I installed first when setting up the new machine:

Note: It is recommended that you try to get the apps from their websites rather than the Windows store, where sometimes the apps can be a bit outdated or imperfect.

Additional Windows software that do various things:

Step 2 – Begin the Copy Process

I used my new sleek Samsung T3 Drive and began copying all my documents to it. I tended to drag whole folders, many of which were full of other folders. Even though I was dropbox-syncing, I also moved it over manually. It sped up the process quite a bit.

If you’re not that familiar with the Mac folder system, be sure to look all through the Finder window at all the core directories on the left side. I had almost everything important under /TreyRatcliff — everything should copy over fine. Here’s some notes to think about:

  • There’s no need to copy anything under “Applications” because those apps won’t work on Windows.
  • If you’re planning to use this as an opportunity to “clean up” or “reorganize” your Dropbox, don’t do that until you have everything 100% copied over. If you make directory changes in the middle of a sync, it gets confusing. One thing at a time.
  • If you have native app files, like Keynote files or Numbers files, be sure to convert them to Powerpoint or Google Docs first. I highly recommend Google Docs… just get them uploaded to your Google Drive and begin that conversion.
  • If you have some “really fancy” Keynote docs, you may want to convert to Powerpoint, but understand that you’ll have to spend some time in Powerpoint to make those presentations as “smooth” as they were in Keynote. It’s possible… but it takes a while.
  • If you can fit your whole Adobe Lightroom directory on a single drive, then do that. Mine is over 10 TB and is on a Pegasus Thunderbolt drive. So, in my case, I connected the old Pegasus Thunderbolt drive to my MacBook along with the new WD 16TB drive via USB and I made the copy that way.
  • I’m not sure of an “easy” or automatic way to auto-sync my Lightroom Presets and Adobe Actions. I had to go find those directories and copy over directly. To find your Lightroom Presets, go into your Lightroom Preferences and look under Presets, there you’ll see a shortcut button.

Step 3 – Get signed in Everywhere and start Syncing

This is always a bit of a small logistical pain. Luckily if you’re a Google and Facebook user, then getting logged into those first helps with the other programs you may use like Spotify and Chrome.

Adobe Creative Cloud is pretty straightforward. Remember you can only have 2 active logins with Creative Cloud, which I think is stupid. But that’s how they roll there at Adobe. Anyway, you can use your new computer to log out of all the others and create two new ones. It’s not too tough.

If you’re a Spotify user and like local copies of all your music, you may need to log into their website and activate/deactivate different devices. You get three there.

At this point, you should have all your programs signed in and the full syncing will begin. Everything from Evernote to Dropbox to Spotify to Chrome Favorites or whatever is in your app world will start to copy over.

Step 4 – The Great Storage Adventure

Note this only applies if you are not dropbox/google syncing all your files. In my case, I have 12 TB of photos, and Dropbox would take at least another adniminstration to sync.

The first thing you need to know about sharing large capactity storage between Windows and MacOS is that how the external storage is formatted makes a HUGE difference. Since Windows and MacOS can both read and write to exFAT drives, it’s good to format the drive on the Mac using exFAT. I tried doing this on the PC and the Mac cound not see it. When you go into Disk Utility on the Mac, just choose exFAT to format your new drive. Easy!

So what storgae did I go for? The Western Digital My Cloud Pro (PR2100) NAS. A Western Digital My Book Pro and the Western Digital My Passport Wireless Pro portable drive.

Starting with the My Cloud Pro, first think about how you want your storage configured. My NAS is the 16TB model and it arrived set to 2x8TB mirrored (basically 8TB of storage with the 2nd drive used to keep a seperate copy of every file an automated process). I used the web interface for the NAS to re-configure the drive to show as a single 16TB volume. (HOT TIP: When you first use the NAS, update the firmware then set the web interface timeout to be as long as possible. With the default settings the login times out before you complete the drive configuration and so it has to be done again.)

Step 4+ – Keep the Aurora HDR Party Going

Aurora HDR 2018 Now for Mac or Windows!

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Current users of Aurora HDR should check this link to see if you qualify for the upgrade price. New users can purchase Aurora HDR 2018 and my new Aurora HDR tutorial in my online store.

 

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Sneak Peek Inside Aurora HDR 2018

Below is a sneak peek video I made that shows off just SOME of the new features!

Step 5 – Use the Windows Machine exclusively for the first week

I noticed when I switched from Nikon DSLRs to the Sony mirrorless systems that it was really a difficult switch when I had both available. I knew the Nikon system so well and I would have great photo ops. For example, I was offered a cool helicopter ride up to a glacier. I was staring at my two cameras on the table, and I would usually take the Nikon because I knew the system so well and I didn’t want to risk it with the Sony.

Well then one day in Sydney my Nikon broke, so all I had was the Sony. I was forced to use it for a few weeks and I ended up loving it a lot more. I was able to see how much better it was and learned all of the advantages.

I’m now seeing that with Windows. Yes, learning things in the new OS are a little painful. Windows is not quite as slick as iOS in a lot of ways. I found the trackpad not quite as nice for example, and I had to re-train my brain about a few different things. But that only took a week, and now I’m pretty smooth with it!

Step 6 – Get your Color Right

By default, your new PC will have a different color profile than your Mac. At the very least you’ll have to open your color preferences and adjust the saturation until it is the same as your Mac. I recommend you pull up your 10 favorite photos and put them side by side, adjusting the saturation and color on your new PC until they are the same. Even though this system is calibrated at the factory by MSI (and has built in color profiles) this is a mistake I made and for about a week, my photos were a bit off and more de-saturated than I like. I only noticed when I looked on my wife’s mac and my photos looked less colorful than I preferred.

Bonus Step 7 – Surface Pro

Party with the Microsoft Surface Pro! I didn’t think I’d like this machine, but I was wrong. I like it better than my iPad for sure. It’s a fully functional computer and not just a tablet. I’ve actually been altering my workflow quite a bit where I do many “daily” things on my Surface Pro – things like email, social media, Facebook stuff, etc etc. It’s a tiny little machine that I can set on my lap or anywhere. It’s also great because I can play Steam games on it, it travels well, I can do lightweight Lightroom stuff — I have some folders synced with my big computer, etc.

Bonus Step 8 – Use your NVIDIA Graphics Card with Adobe Products

This wasn’t obvious and was nowhere in the documentation. But the MSI computer has a “GFX” button under the power button to the left of the keyboard. When you click that, it asks you to reboot to use the fast NVIDIA card at all times. This can have performance benefits in some applications such as Lightroom which by default use the less powerful Intel GPU rather than auto switch to the NVIDIA which happens when gaming. Now I just keep that NVIDIA GPU on all the time (no need to reboot). On the downside, it eats up more battery, but I am connected to power most of the time.

Bonus Step 9 – Virtual Reality

I bought the funky HTC Vive VR Kit! This has been an unexpected joy to our family. We all LOVE playing VR. There are now so many fun games and apps – the kids and wife go crazy for it. I could stay in VR Google Earth forever. At some point, I’ll put together a list of all my favorite VR Apps and Games for you!

Bonus Step X – Questions??

Okay, okay, this is a living document… what did I miss? What have you discovered? Add to the comments below! And thanks for reading this far – I hope you found it helpful! 🙂

  • Mike Les

    You could also create a Mac OS VM on your Windows PC for Aurora and fully part with the Mac hardware. Use VMware player for that.

  • Atif

    Good read! It would’ve been great if you shared the limits of the MacBook Pro and IPad Pro; and how much the MSI and Surface have improved on that. Ended up sounding like the usual Apple user frustration / bashing. 🙂

  • susan ratcliff

    very cool a lot of work! 🙂

  • Scottie B

    Trey, What’s it like working on the laptop screen with 3840 x 2160 resolution? I imagine photos look great but is it a challenge to read text, etc?

  • Damon Romano

    You should have given the new MacBook Pro a chance. I got a fully loaded one and I have no problem with A7Rii files or 4K video. It runs them really well, and I love the Apple ecosystem. Does this mean the focus of future Auroa updates will be on the windows version?

  • Warren Skank

    I understand windows is getting good but is not there yet. I understand your frustration with the new MacBook Pros but Mac Os is not getting better it is better and the security concerns for windows are off the charts. Money is a great place to start like the fact that iCloud is more expensive, but the money I save by not having to spend monthly for security software that is not always perfect. I think it would be great if I could integrate a windows laptop with a IPad pro and my IPhone? Less money and much more storage.

  • Jean-Michel Paris

    As a long-time Mac user, I am not about to switch to Windows, because I know first hand that this platform also has its share of problems. Admittedly, your needs as a limit-case professional are specific to you, and I have no intend to question your judgment in this regard. What displeased me in your article, however, is the subtle suggestion that your fans would do well to follow your example. I would have appreciated that you made your switch with no fanfare and waited a few months before talking about it. To be frank with you Trey, one of the attractions of your website was for me the fact that we used the same platform as me.

    This is now gone, and I really don’t know the consequences it will entail.

    It is not without apprehension that I will find to what extent my enjoyment of your website and of your guidance has been compromised.

    Anyway, good luck with your new environment.

  • Wotan

    I’d switch in a heartbeat – to different, more powerful hardware – if it were able to run MacOS… that’s my single reason why I am not switching to the Wacom MobileStudio Pro as my primary mobile platform (which would be nice) either. You’re not aloe, though. Frank Doorhof also switched to Windows recently – due to similar concerns (video rendering mostly; cost of hardware upgrades; lack of “pro” features in current hardware).

    Good luck with the switch; I will be sticking it out with MacOS for a while longer. Application management, terminal (underlying UNIX commands management capabilities), and the new APFS are just too nice to drop for registry and reboot juggles…

  • Interesting to hear… thanks @azarinelli:disqus

  • I’m not saying you have to change – do whatever you want. I’m still using all the same apps as you.

  • Windows security is actually pretty good. People get in trouble when they download strange EXEs and click on crazy stuff in emails. Just don’t do that and you’ll be fine! 🙂

  • No – we’ll be working on Aurora HDR to keep all features for iOS and Windows in parity (the same).

    And my MacBook Pro is only 1 year old… still showing sluggishness.

  • Oh, you can scale the text up and down in the preferences.

  • Yeah – I thought about that… a possible thing I will try! 🙂

  • Damon Romano

    Great to hear regarding Aurora! Good luck with the change. I have thought about a change as well, but I like MacOS, FCP X, and the integration with my iPhone and iPad too much. They should have had 32 GB Ram with the new TB MacBook Pro though. That was surprising and frustrating when I purchased it.

  • I am doing exactly this. Love it. I have macOS Sierra relegated to running in VMWare Workstation. I only boot it up when I “need” to run / test something on macOS.

  • Mike Les

    The good thing is there is very little investment involved in trying it.

  • I’ve been a Windows-Using Creative from the start, though always looked at the design of the Macs with envy… But it’s always been about the cost/hardware for me. Being able to purchase a system significantly more powerful, but also significantly cheaper. I’m seeing a lot of old dogma in the comments here about Window Vs Mac, which is a bit sad… Security on Windows is FREE, and is repeatedly tested as being about the best available, BTW (Though most security issues these days are acquired through user error, rather than a gap in security anyway). I also have an iPhone, and Dropbox handles my “eco system” needs just fine with images etc… With all that useless babble out of the way… I have a question:

    I have a primary desktop system I use for editing at home (mostly for the video rendering speeds, and larger screen), and a reasonable laptop where I ultimately do most of my work, and now image editing too… I’d love to be able to have Lightroom “follow” me seemlessly between the two systems… Edit on the road, then come home and be able to switch to the larger screen and keep working where I left off… So… With your superior knowledge in such things, I wondered if you might tackle that one for us?

    I’ve read of some using Dropbox, and installing virtual drive software to get around the LR Catalog location issue, but I could never quite get that working. Or is it simpler than that, and I need to just switch to trusting an external drive that I plug from one to the other??

  • Mike

    Application management is simple enough these days I find, easier with Windows Store apps even but even with others not as hard as it used to be 5 years ago. And for terminal you could use the built-in Bash for Windows. Re filesystem, not sure if it does matter for a user of an OS unless you develop a driver?

  • kenyee

    Is it painless?
    Trying to run Mac OS on VirtualBox was all sorts of pain. I heard the VBox folks got it working but were pressured by Apple to remove it 😛

  • Cool – thanks for the message.

    There are a few ways to solve your issue. If you’re overall LR catalog will fit on both computers then use Dropbox. If not, then either use an External or think about splitting your LR libraries and re-integrating when you bring your Laptop back. I have a tutorial on that here on the site – a workflow one with LR! 🙂

  • Trey what about Luminar and Aurora HDR? I have switched my work flow to these items based on your recomendations. Are there other versions coming?

  • I have never gone to an Apple PC mainly because I need horsepower for 3D rendering. However, I must say running through airports with a heavy PC along with camera gear is killing my back so I am planning to add a Surface Pro 5 once they come out. I think the Evernote app looks cool, thanks for sharing. One tool I absolutely love, although not exclusive to Windows, is Sangit by Techsmith. Worth Checking out for quick screen snaps of specific areas and short video captures.

  • Pavlos Papageorgiou

    I’m facing the same situation. My MacBookPro which I bought in 2012 and heavily upgraded several times is on par with the latest model. I have more storage (3TB fusion) and the same RAM (16GB). On a more than four year old machine. The hardware is now failing – I type this in safe boot – and I’m thinking why should I buy the new model that’s not upgradable and basically no better? It’ll probably go downhill from here as Apple makes almost all their revenue from iOS and doesn’t seem intent on making pro computers, as you say.

    I’m thinking of buying a Razer Blade Pro. Questions for @treyratcliff:disqus
    – What do you use as alternative for Time Machine? The backup function is a must.
    – Font scaling is also a must for my eyes. Windows 7 wasn’t usable on 4k. How is Windows 10?
    – What filesystem do you format your transfer drive? Does it preserve all the details?
    – What about Keychain? I guess the best alternative is Google passwords.

  • Anim8me2

    ” Re filesystem, not sure if it does matter for a user of an OS unless you develop a driver?”
    Try copying (or moving) 1800 files while simultaneously renaming them using a command line vs. drag/drop + right-click. In Terminal its practically instantaneous.

  • JordanStern

    8 pounds?! At 4 pounds for the 15″, weight seems to be what Apple is optimizing for with the new MacBook Pros. I think they’ve struck the right balance even though they’re compromising speed. The real issue is intel’s slowing progress. But I think overall the Mac’s hardware and software design they’ve chosen for this year in the pro notebook is the right balance for most.

  • Brett Silverthorn

    Windows security really is pretty good, we are able certify Windows in a PCI environment much easier and stronger. Easier doesn’t mean less, easier means Windows 10 really seems designed with security in mind. Those stray exes will still get you ;-).

  • Brett Silverthorn

    Been using both for years, I love them both honestly. I will say my gaming laptop in windows though does kick the MAC to the side ditch. It even kicks the new one, and getting a nicer nvidia card with cudda support in windows doesn’t break the bank. Anxious to watch how it goes Trey. I really honestly want to run linux. If Adobe ever supports it, I would say goodbye to both and go to a nice Windows Laptop running Mint or Ubuntu. Adobe is the only thing that keeps me on the two eco systems for now.

  • Brian Dunkel

    While I can appreciate the reasons why you made the switch, I could never do it myself. I enjoy too much of the Apple ecosystem, and I’m not at the point in my photography career where I demand as much performance as you do. In retrospect though, there is talk from Apple that they are going to put more emphasis on power users in the near future. They are supposed to release a new Mac Pro, iMac’s, and MacBook Pros this year. I just purchased a new 2016 MacBook Pro, so I guess I’ll see what the computer landscape looks like in a few years.

  • Leo Wilson

    Explore powershell – command line supercharged. I wrote a script that pulls all of the photos off my SD card and puts them on my extensive drive. It then updates my existing directory structure in the form that I like (Year > Month > Day > File Type (jpg, raw, mov)) and sorts the files into the right place. I don’t rename them, but it can cope with that without even blinking.

  • acerwax

    While you make some good points you obviously have absolutely no need for well designed products. You have no worry for form function and style. You gave up Apple for a brick computer that looks awful. Suite yourself but nothing about that computer looks pro to me. It screams plastic piece of crap that will fall apart on me in a few years.

    Windows 10 is starting to get good? Say what? Windows 10 is a joke. Settings menus are scattered shit storm of old settings forms mixed in with the new windows 10 styled forms. The entire os is half baked. It crashes on me randomly. Drivers fail. Wifi is sketchy. Windows 10 is a disaster. Stop trying to justify your purchase. Microsoft could care less about functional design. Now it has FORCED WINDOWS UPDATES. I personally have lost work because of this bs. Good luck in the windows world with forced ads and bloat ware. I’ll be in the clean functional mac land.

  • Vidua

    You realize Windows 10 has both PowerShell and Bash?

  • Eden Brackstone

    Trey, after knowing you as long as I have, I’m sorry to say this is a very disappointing post. Not because of the subject or the opinions you’ve shared, but because of how they’ve been shared and how you’ve inherently portrayed yourself in the process.

    Through dozens of contradictory and inflammatory comments written above (and in your opening video) you’ve undermined the substance of the Mac versus PC debate by inciting and encouraging irrational bickering in the opening paragraph. Rather than putting forward comprehensive, reasonable and sound arguments as to why you have made the switch, you’ve started the discussion by saying Apple is ‘dead to you’ – as if they owed you something. I encounter this attitude daily, and it is incredibly frustrating.

    Now, for the disclaimer, I work directly with Apple and my opinions are therefor biased. But I’d argue that my view on the subject matter is as balanced as it possibly could be, albeit without surrendering my platform of preference in favour of a multi-client workspace where Windows and macOS operate simultaneously – that simply isn’t an efficient way for many people to work. I also appreciate and respect the independent views consumers have towards products within the marketplace, and understand competition is encouraged as a means to drive innovation forward.

    However. What you’ve prepared above are, in my view, only your personal opinions weighted unreasonably against Apple with little substance to back them up. Taken from the top:

    – The title of your blog post is nothing short of click bait.
    – The aforementioned invitation to argue via a request to share (no thanks).
    – You self-reference that you were a “hardcore [Apple] fanboy”, and in your video you implied you are a member of the group of creative professionals that kept Apple alive. You aren’t. I doubt anyone here was. The five or so years you’ve been using a Mac have taken place long after Apple returned to profitability in the late nineties. As a brief aside, Curtis used the same “fanboy” term to describe me in person a number of weeks ago, which is an insult to anyone who takes themselves seriously and strives to maintain a professional image.
    – I won’t comment on the issues with Windows 10, or your dislike for Apple’s software, enough has been said below.

    Onto more technical critiques:

    – You’ve glossed over any mention of display quality, let alone comparisons to the MacBook Pro’s wide-colour P3 display at 500 nits which is highly acclaimed and demonstrably best in class.
    – On that note, your method to synchronise the colour of said displays is laughable, and will not work – any creative professional would know that calibration for colour accuracy requires more than a saturation adjustment.
    – Your suggestion to avoid the Windows Store speaks for itself.
    – The drive you’ve selected lacks Thunderbolt 3 which is short sighted to say the least, and is slower than the Pegasus drive you’re replacing when accessed on either interface; USB 3.0 or Ethernet. Its a NAS drive, and inherently less suitable for photography workflows, but this is somewhat down to personal preference.
    – By the way, a clear mention of the affiliate links would have aided you here.

    To sum this comment up, I’d call your attention to the section on Aurora HDR. This hits the hypocritical nail on the head in my view, as both yourself and Macphun prioritised the development of a macOS-native application over a cross-platform version for a very good reason; because the APIs and development environment(s) on macOS (and by extension, iOS, tvOS and watchOS) are preferred by many. Aided by the fact that, at the time, the Mac was your creative tool of choice.

    But upon the release of the 2016 MacBook Pro, you (like many others) have apparently made a knee-jerk reaction based on a false sense of entitlement and misguided view that Apple have abandoned the creative professional market. That their ecosystem is “closed” and “confusing”. That they’re more focused on design than on functionality or performance. To each of these points I could raise valid and factual arguments to the contrary, but my thoughts on this have been shared previously and I don’t want to debate the cost to benefit ratio in this forum any more than I do on Facebook.

    I dont question the validity of your personal reasons for making this change, and hope it works out well for you. I do however take issue with the tone you’ve established which will result in many consumers being mislead as to their decision on what equipment to buy. I feel strongly about people refraining from slander and derogatory mention of products or brands when they have a privileged position allowing them to inspire and influence the next generation of creatives. Focus your energy on that endeavour, like you used to. Not on shameless endorsement or self-image inflation with diminishing returns – for fewer and fewer of your fanboys will respect your opinions over the long arch of time.

    Eden.

  • Eden Brackstone

    Well said, see my comment above for a similar take on this.

  • manicmoose

    Good on you, Trey.
    You do whatever you think works for you, and don’t listen to the boring and predicable fanbois from either camp.
    At least you have the cajones to give something else a try.

  • Pavlos Papageorgiou

    This is not an emotional contest. Around 4-5 years ago, MacBook Pros cost a premium (if you bought the memory from Apple) but packed a high-end spec. Now they don’t. Apple decided to design for a slimmer package and better battery life, and bet on attaching storage through USB-C. This is a different value proposition. Macs are better consumer products than ever, and they’re no longer high-end workhorses. If a company doesn’t serve one of its segments, for whatever valid business reasons, those customers will leave.

  • Ibis Bricks

    Are people really butthurt because of Trey’s move from Apple to Windows? People’s feeling get “hurt” for another person living miles away from them who changes operating system on his computer? Holy cow. The snowflakes are real. I guess for some people Trey should apologize for “hurting their feelings” or something like that.

  • Olympus1974

    Well, I have only moderate interest in video, scant interest in VR and none in gaming, so my needs are different than yours. No doubt that custom Windows systems can work better at less initial cost in those areas but I’ll skip over your adventures there. I’m happy with MacOS for the desktop and Android for mobile. Good luck.

  • Jason Tupeck

    Trey – This article is perfect for me, because I am going through the same switch right now. One thing I might mention to you is in regards to you not knowing an easy way to sync your presets and such between machines. Actually, I use Dropbox for my .lrcat file and then in Lightroom preferences have the software store all my additional data WITH the catalog, rather than in its default directory. This really enables a number of things.

    1. All my imported and personally generated templates and presets are synched via Dropbox in real time.
    2. My previews are also synced
    3. When I close LR, the catalog file syncs within a few minutes and is available on my other machine(s)

    This enables me to have LR on multiple machines (REGARDLESS of OS, I might add….I sometimes use Windows, but the sore machine has traditionally been a Mac) and then once the catalog has completed synching, I can move to another computer and pick right up where I left off. This allows me to do all my importing on a bigger, more powerful machine and I also set up my Collections and related Smart Previews on that machine as well. Then when I need to be mobile, or don’t need the power of the main machine, I move to the Surface Pro 4, open the catalog and even though I am without the original files, I have my Previews and Smart Previews so I can do most of my lighter editing there. It works REALLY well and enables me to have Ligthroom in multiple locations without having to lug my primary drive around all the time.

    The added benefit is that the core machine stays connected to my RAW data and Crashplan continuously monitors it for change. This makes my backups work much more smoothly and I never have to think about opening the software and reengaging the backups because I removed a drive.

    Food for thought. Hope it helps you out, because when I figured this out a few years ago, it was kind of revolutionary in my workflow.

    – Jason Tupeck
    Montana Photographer

  • Jimmie Patrick

    This was a well thought out and rational switch. I’ve been on the fence about a new machine and had been looking at both systems objectively. It’s really a shame how much power is missing in the MacBook Pro lineup. Roughly $3k USD to get in to a machine powerful enough to be an everyday workhorse. By the same comparison though I can spend half that and get more than enough power in the Windows ecosystem, still buy a pair of 4k monitors for home and save well over $1k.

    Competition in the Windows ecosystem looks like it’s done an effective job keeping prices reasonable and the whole time driving innovation and specifications up.

    Fanboys are going to be mad, there has to be a justification to why they spend so much more and get so much less. Their critiques lack a rational argument in defense of it. Instead of shifting away in times where the innovation and performance are lacking (which would force Apple to improve or wither on the vine) they foolishly stick by their side with sub optimal products.

    Trey, this was a great write up and just what I needed to see. I was having a tough time rationalizing why I was considering buying a new MacBook Pro. It’s nice to see that I’m not the only one noticing the severe shortcomings.

  • Cliff

    Such a monumental change! I hadn’t thought of Dropbox + Mac as a short-term Aurora solution. Very interesting stuff.

    Does this change your NAS backup and archive workflows?

  • resiliosync > cloud sync

  • Anim8me2

    Yes, but the point was being made that shells are for programming. Not the case.

  • Anim8me2

    I was able to edit 4K and A7rII files on my 2012 MacBook Pro, now that I upgraded it flies.
    What I found funny (given the ‘Macs are so expensive’ trope I still hear) is the cost of your laptop.
    Just don’t turn it into Mac bashing and I really don’t care what you use.

  • Vidua

    No, the point was:

    terminal (underlying UNIX commands management capabilities

  • Wotan

    Not going to perpetuate, since I really don’t care what anybody prefers to use… BUT, there is more to terminal than my EXAMPLE quoted; just wanted a short & quick reason why I like terminal :). I have a very hybrid internal network already; running Synology NAS (primary back-up), Windows 10 on a print server in the basement (fine art self-fulfilled printing), Pegasus RAID primary storage (Capture One sessions & catalogs) thunderbolt-connected to my iMac5k, iPad(s), iPhone, Chromebooks, Linux file servers in the basement, a couple of BSD systems, … Merely pointed out MY PREFERENCE (“…just too nice…”) and the drawbacks a I still experience in Windows (as does Doorhof), registry corruption, driver mismatches, unintended driver interferences, etc. Doesn’t mean I won’t switch if my needs aren’t met by MacOS any more, but for now, I like that experience over Windows 10; and the hardware meets my needs (and then some). OUT.

  • Tom Corbin

    Yo Trey –
    Excellent call and greetings from Baja Texas.
    I was wondering how the MSI beast handles hardware display calibration & profiling. If you have done so how accurate is the calibration? Also, I am eagerly looking forward to all the Macphun apps on Windows.

  • Anim8me2

    “Re filesystem, not sure if it does matter for a user of an OS unless you develop a driver?”
    And my example was the utility of using command line vs. drag and drop. That I used Terminal as an example is because I am a Mac/Unix user.
    Relax. I don’t care what OS you use.

  • Baja Texas in the house! I am not sure about your question… my method was simple in that I pulled up my favorite 10 photos side-by-side with my Macbook Pro and adjusted the MSI settings until they looked the same.

  • That sounds awesome but I’m not techie enough to know what it means! 🙂

  • I’ll talk more about that AS I figure it out! 🙂

  • Thanks! Yes, cost is not a factor for me, but I know it is for many people. That’s cool… Computers seem a bit like politics in that fanboys get REALLY emotional about a fiction. I just want something FAST. It doesn’t seem too controversial for that desire, eh?

  • Jason de Montana! This is great… had not thought of this… Very smart let me let this simmer for a while. I like it! 🙂

  • Thanks @Olympus1974:disqus 🙂

  • Hehe yes… Funny how people get their feelings hurt so easily. Hmmm…. Who cares what computer I use? I wrote this for people like me that are thinking about swapping.

  • It’s true – I’m quite un-emotional about the whole thing. Maybe a LITTLE bit sad because I did love the MacOS so much.

  • Yes yes – thanks @original_manicmoose:disqus 🙂

  • It’s not irrational. My new PC is faster. I need speed bro! 🙂

    (but you’re still my friend! 🙂 )

  • Yes, it’s not THAT bad looking. That light-up LED keyboard is kinda cool eh? hehe… yeah but I know what you mean… the Macs are more elegant for sure. You make a good point 🙂

  • Hey look – I may switch BACK! I’m quite agnostic… always ready for a fun switch! 🙂

  • Linux is too next-level for me. I don’t feel smart enough to do it! 🙂

  • Yeah – I think now I should have gotten the 15″ .

  • Mike Les

    VMware is much better at running Mac OS . VirtualBox is not there yet.

  • Stu – SIC

    Hey Pavlos, Win 10 is much improved on 4k displays. Scaling works well, both the OS and most software. Having said that there are some apps I’ve randomly found which dont scale well. Blender for example is too small on first install (I havent tried to fix that yet). Its a rare occurrence though.

  • Stu – SIC

    Aurora HDR for Windows is in development… once thats out the door focus may switch to Luminar 🙂

  • Mike Les

    Don’t waste your time trying MacOS on VirtualBox, It is not there yet.
    You need VMware Player (free) or Workstation with the patch indicated in the following guide.
    https://techsviewer.com/install-macos-sierra-vmware-windows/

  • Adrian Price

    Trey, I have to agree with the many Mac Vs PC sentiments in your article. As an architect that 3D models and renders, the pro laptop solutions from Apple are what I regard as expensive mass consumer machines (nicely designed ones of course) that are not good enough for serious 7 hours per day work. The glossy screens are impractical and the absence of a 17inch laptop in the line up means an extra bit of strain on one’s eyesight. I love my specced out 2011 MBP and continue to use it as my main machine for day-to-day tasks but have noticed the reliability of macOS decline in recent years. I too now own an MSI Stealth GS70 with Windows 10 and have been impressed with its performance. It is slim and lightweight for a 17 inch laptop (2.6kg), windows 10 loads up in about 20 seconds off the SSD. It is over a year old but with specs higher than the new MBP, and I only paid $1300 for it – second hand admittedly. I push all of my rendering tasks to it and it has not crashed once. Over $4000 in Australia for the top-of-the-line but underpowered MBP is just greedy, especially when they contribute negligible taxes to our economy 🙁

  • Bart Tecter

    Trey, I have over 30 years experience working with businesses (including engineering firms and graphic artists as well as photographers). Though I actually started writing programs for an Apple II, most of this time I have setup and supported PC desktops and networks. I am VERY familiar with that world. I have been a serious amateur photographer for many years as well. About 5 years ago I bought my first Mac Pro, then upgraded 2 years ago to a new trash can style Mac Pro. All this to say that without a doubt you will get a lot more for your money in the PC world. Even though photography is rather an after thought in the PC world we gain a tremendous amount from the proliferation of gaming. Extremely fast processors and video boards, memory and relatively cheap 4K monitors. Windows 10 is definitely a vast improvement over many previous OSs. This is the one area though where Apple, in my opinion still has an edge. I have VERY rarely had to reformat and reinstall a Mac OS but for my client’s PCs this is a very regular event. Even without any serious issues, after a couple of years rebuilding a PC will significantly speed up and improve a workstation. I was disappointed when Apple dropped Apurture and I am starting to see other programs lag a bit on the Mac side while putting more emphasis on the PC side. In a year my AppleCare will expire and I may also make the switch back to the PC world. My cyber gear won’t look as good but I’ll definitely have more money in my pocket …. well, realistically, to spend on nice new lenses :). Thanks for you article. Good to “break the ice” on this issue.

  • Jason Tupeck

    Awesome! I was tasked a couple years ago with coming up with a Lightroom ‘for teams’ scenario for my Corporate Image department at work, and I decided to try this method. It required they only have one user in the central catalog at any given time and that they let the catalog sync before another one opened it, but then discovered how well it integrated into my one user workflow that I began using it and haven’t looked back.

    Great thing is that if you mess up and open/use the catalog on the second machine before it fully syncs on dropbox, the software makes a ‘conflicted copy’ which will contain all your most recent changes, so all is not lost. Thishappened to me today, by accident and has occured a couple times in the past, so I thought I would mention it.

  • All good point @barttecter:disqus – I can tell you know what you’re talking about! 🙂

  • Good points good points @disqus_giBV1wzLRC:disqus

  • Salim Batlouni

    Nice article! You used Apple Photos to organize your final portfolio shots. What did you replace it with in Windows? And how did you transfer the photos?

  • Sumner Glen

    probably need a calorimeter to get it spot on?

  • think dropbox without the cloud. Resilio sends directly from one computer to another. while dropbox sends it up to the “cloud” before it sends it to the other computer.

    resilio.com

    I use it to sync stuff to my laptop and phone from my main computer.

  • Steven Rogers

    Whats more important with what software you use Trey, it is more CPU intensive or GPU intensive? Or about equal?

  • Thank you.

  • Darryl

    I haven’t slept since this article was published.

    People should just use what they are comfortable with and what suits their budget.

  • Now I’m keeping my final portfolio just in Lightroom.

  • CPU I think is a big part of it, especially with Lightroom.

  • Windows 7 was a very good OS, and Windows 10 is a fantastic system. In my day job I had to work on an iMac for 3 years and it was terrible. Glossy screen (although the later generations improved somewhat), slow and impossible to customize…
    As far as I am concerned, Apple is a supplier of furniture, phones and music. For serious things, the PC platform is much better than anything Apple can offer at the moment. The only advantage of Macs is native ProRes support, if somebody needs that.
    I have an Apple Music subscription though, so I am no Apple hater at all.

  • Yes, scaling works very well in Win 10. Except Apple’s iTunes, which still looks horrible (blurry) on a 4K display. This is a shame, because such programs as IrfanView or LR Timelapse have been working great in 4K since I don’t remember when. And AFAIK IrfanView and LR Timelapse have been developed by programmers working solo, and not by a multi-billion corporation.

  • I started using Spotify and like it a lot better… give it a whirl! 🙂

  • Hey Trey!

    I was interested in a video that you once shared, about the Focus Peaking in Sony Cameras (I think, you took that in Stu’s studio – the ‘Peace in 10,000 hands’ guy, or some exhibition kind of place). Can you please share the video as I am deciding on switching from a Nikon system to a mirror-less system?

    Would really appreciate! 🙂

    Cheers!!

  • Neil

    I see you use Grambler. The issue there I see is that Grambler have your instagram credentials, which is a huge security issue in my book.
    Have a peek at “leapdroid” which is and Android VM. you run Instagram on the VM, and you can mount your “waiting to publish” folder as a shared folder from the PC and you can publish to IG like that- So it is like a phone on your PC. and your login credentials never leave your sight 🙂

  • Murry Von Sock

    The Surface pro is cheaply made, overpriced garbage, you can get a
    way better made Dell running 10 or Linux for 1/2 the price. Microsoft
    has tried to push that pile of crap, and nobody buys them. The Surface
    market share is about the same as their crappy phones, %0.3. Microsoft
    is going to close shop on the tablet market the same way Blackberry did.

    When you drop it, someone’s either not going to work on it, or
    charge you 1/2 what it’s worth. Chunk it in the garbage, and get a HP/
    Dell/ Toshiba, a reliable brand that is well known instead of some
    Taiwanese company named “Pegatron”, whoever the hell that is. Most of
    the idiots I know that actually buy these things end up chunking them,
    and are out of $1000 on a junk tablet.

  • jonsen

    A mid level gaming laptop PC around 1k is as good as a $2500 Mac laptop.

    Do yourself a favor, get a windows laptop, and spend the savings on the Adobe Suite.

    I’m a long time mac user, but my money is hard earned and the numbers just don’t add up for the mac.

  • MiracleMac

    I did this same switch a few months ago and I regret it.

    I had similar reasons and disappointment with the new Macbook Pros. I bought a top of the line 15″ Dell. At first, I said … oh, the trackpad isn’t that bad. I rationalized the endless hours to make it through all the driver nonsense with printers and accessories.

    Then, I noticed the same thing as you, Trey, that Lightroom really isn’t any faster on top of the line Windows machines than it was on my Macbook Pro. Maybe its more Adobe.

    I also missed how well Apple products work so seamlessly with each other, like using iMessages with pretty much everyone I know that has an iPhone.

    What sent me over the edge was having to go to the Windows registry that reminded me of what I hated about having to endlessly tweak things. Now, the Windows machine has started to get bogged down and everyone says I will soon have to reformat and reinstall to keep things running smoothly. These are things you just don’t have to do with a Mac.

    When Apple updates its Macbook Pros this Fall with Kaby Lake which will allow for 32mb Ram and other catch-ups, I will be switching back to the Mac. My guess is those will be the long-awaited successors for photo and video creators.

  • danbuelljr

    I’m not sure you’re going to like carrying that beast around – isn’t that a major reason you switched from Nikon to Sony? Love all your stuff Trey!!!

  • You make a good point… Weight was one issue with the camera but not the main one. Also, I carry my computer about 5% as much as I carry my camera, so it’s less of a concern.

  • I just made a video of SLOW LIGHTROOM and sent it over to my friends at Adobe. We’ll see what they say! 🙂

  • Cost is a huge thing for sure… I agree

  • Hey what do you REALLY think? hehe

    I see what you mean. I think my iPad and Android tablets had many advantages… but I still like the Surface Pro okay… it’s not so bad! 🙂 The kindle app is SHIT though.

  • Oh good idea! 🙂

  • @StuDavidsonSC:disqus do you know where that video is?

  • Ariez

    This is awesome. I use Windows 10 on desktop and own a SP4 along with an old MBA. Hoping you’ll keep recommending some photography related Windows 10 apps, as i barely touch my Macbook Air. Gramblr is an amazing recommendation! As the native instagram windows 10 app wont allow for photos upload I have to always transfer the photo over to my phone.

  • Ibis Bricks

    Were you literally shaking while reading it? I bet many people were.

  • Duff

    Agree 100%. Taking it further, Trey I think you should provide full disclosure how much $$ you are getting from promoting products. Either admit you get nothing from them or come clean you are compensated in some way to promote their products. I use both Mac and Windows. You are on a different planet if you think this is a better switch. Disbelief. Your credibility is now at stake. Disappointed.

  • Duff

    The only thing that makes sense is you are being compensated in some way to go to Microsoft. Listen, people , right or wrong, make decisions based on what you say. If you are being compensated from Microsoft in any way, and you don’t disclose this, it’s just plain wrong. If this comment gets deleted, it will be obvious.

  • xenkw0n

    Really sounds like poor multi-core optimization. I would try changing the affinity of LR to use say, 2 or 4 threads and see if there’s even a difference. Find out real quick if Adobe knows what they’re doing. Task Manager -> Details -> LR.exe -> Set affinity. Curious to know if you can even tell the difference. If not, poor optimization OR driver issues since this is a brand new piece of hardware.

  • I’ve used many Apple computers over the years, iMac, Macbook Pro, Mac Mini and Mac Pro (currently using).

    I used to recommend Apple computers but I can no longer do it when other PC makers are producing computers with performance so so far ahead of Apple’s.

    I judge technology by whether or not they can save time or money. In recent years, Apple replaced the quad-core Mac Mini with dual-core. They removed expandability for the trash can Mac Pro and stopped releasing new models for 3 years and counting. They removed useful the ports from their latest Macbook Pro, which by the way has specifications that other companies have released 1 year earlier.

    I love Mac OS but seriously… Apple currently just feels like a company out to gorge money from whoever buys into their marketing.

  • Thanks Trey, for documenting your transition back to Windows! I’ve debated this as well, though I’m not ready for a new photo-editing laptop yet. So I’m holding out hope that the current backlash against Apple will push them to make their next laptop refresh actually worth half a damn. As a software developer (9-5), I still abhor the way Windows is laid-out (compared to OSX/Unix), and how a lot of Windows software looks/feels. But as an Android-user who keeps a Windows 10 gaming desktop at home, I may be looking back on this for advice on switching if Apple doesn’t get their act together with their next laptop refresh.

  • I wouldn’t have been bothered by the USB-C switch (that cable *can* do a lot) if it wasn’t bundled with such sub-par specs. “Wait, you want me to switch or adapt all my peripherals *AND* re-buy last year’s hardware?”

  • I worry that Apple is numb to negative feedback… They seem to be focused on making iPhones for soccer moms.

  • I bought that Mac Pro and feel duped 🙁 It’s not that fast… just a pain! 🙁

  • I’ll try to find some more – thanks! 🙂

  • Yeah, they’ve been cruising on autopilot for a while now. I just don’t want to give up OS X quite yet 😛

  • Hey Trey I’m both glad and sad you’re moving to Windows. Sad because Apple has dropped the ball and seemingly don’t care about the needs of us creatives. I’m happy because the more high profile folks like yourself switch and speak out about it may do some good.

    Now that you’re using Windows check out this HDR/Editing software. It does something no other HDR software I’ve seen http://www.oloneo.com.

    I’d love to hear your thoughts after you try it, if you try it.

    I hope and pray your wife beats the cancer. Good luck and best wishes to your entire family.

  • danbuelljr

    Makes sense – I pretty much follow you as it relates to all things photography so eager to see how it goes!!!! 🙂

  • TJ Bone

    Speaking as an engineer having 25 years in the field designing software don’t get too excited about your Windows computer. Wait till you get your first virus/malware that can’t be removed without reimagine the entire computer. Or the devastating Windows rot that occurs after you have had the machine a while. I have been using Windows on/off since Windows 1.0, Windows is a hunk-o-junk.

    You can definitely get faster, better hardware on a PC than a Mac for less money. There is no debating that.

    The Mac has issues, definitely as I have one. I have seen the hell that can occur when upgrading to a new version of OS X and the problems with the various applications. Yes it can be bad but the bad on Windows is of a completely different variety. Apple has lost its way with its hardware/software and they are doing just plain stupid things.

    Windows despite whatever anti-virus/anti-malware you use is a sitting duck for the bad people out on the web. A couple of recommendations:

    1. Do not use IE or the Edge browser. Use Firefox, Chrome or Opera. Realize that Microsoft installs software updates via the browser. This is also how malware and viruses get in. You remove that avenue of attack and a lot of grief goes away.
    2. Do not give yourself administrator rights. Set up your account as a regular user and set up another account as administrator. Disable the ability to change or install anything as a regular user.
    3. Repartition your hard drive so you have a C and D drive. Move your user data to the D drive. That way when C becomes corrupt and it will, the only thing you have to reimage is the C drive. Realize when you do the restore on Windows it blows away the entire drive including your data.
    4. Turn on the firewall
    5. Get a good anti-virus and anti-malware program.
    6. Back up the machine regularly.

    Frankly I am off upgrade cycle of both Windows and Mac. I highly recommend that people start looking at Ubuntu. Its a lot more secure than either one and you will have a lot less grief. On a newer computer Ubuntu flies compared to both windows and the mac.

    Good luck!

  • Neil

    You say “Wait till you get your first virus/malware that can’t be removed without reimagine the entire computer”

    Just for the record here, I have use Windoze machines (on top of Linux) forever ( never Apple!) and I have NEVER had a Virus or malware infection.. I have only had to reinstall the OS after HDD crashes. I have been in the IT industry since before it was an “industry”… Just sayin’

  • Stu – SIC

    @disqus_v8iQfE076x:disqus @treyratcliff:disqus Here it is: https://youtu.be/HPB1hesSeOU Focus peaking starts just after the 10minute mark. 🙂

  • Stu – SIC

    Also worth checking out Amazon Prime music. The family plan plus the benefits of video and free next day delivery, etc is amazing value. (Also great if you have an Echo too)

  • Stu – SIC

    Also worth keeping in mind @tom_corbin:disqus and @sumnerglen:disqus that the panels MSI now use on these high end workstations are calibrated by them at the factory and arrive with colour profiles built in too. Having some hardware calibration tools would of course be a nice addition but out of the box, and via the profiles this system is great. (Something you’d expect from a product aimed at pro CAD/3D use)

  • TJ Bone

    Maybe you havent but there are lots of non-technical users that this happens to ALL THE TIME. Even people like professional photographers. Ask me how many times I have gotten frantic phone calls from friends and family to come over and help them. Personally I have never had it either but that doenst mean it happen.

    A lot of these viruses/malware are seriously nasty now. They get deep into the system. I have seen them hijack the browser and make it almost impossible to correct it. They install all kinds of back doors and services that after you rip out the main part that as soon as you reboot the computer it comes back. The last one I saw went in and installed its own entries in the hosts file so if you attempted to go to Google it redirected you to their own page.

    Even after installing 4 separate anti-malware packages and this was on top of what was already installed it could not rip out. You can spend hours and hours trying to repair it or just reimage the computer. Speaking from experience its quicker to reimage than to try to rip out the virus/malware.

  • Eden Brackstone

    iPhone for soccer moms… wow. Never mind high quality and secure business tools. Mind you that endeavour seems to be paying off quite well for them: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/14/aapl-sets-all-time-high/

  • Eden Brackstone

    I cant fathom anyones desire to switch platforms for the reasons above – we’re talking about being on a different planet for sure. If one makes a decision for justifiable reasons, I can appreciate and understand it. But its all the people who’re jumping ship because of, as I said, a sense of entitlement to what they consider Apple should do for them and not for the broader market.

    The factors that drive Apple to make decisions like removing he headphone jack on the iPhone 7, or making the move to USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 for the new MacBook Pro go well beyond what people want NOW. For every Mac I’ve sold in recent months I’ve explained the long-term gains of USB-C, to which every customer has responded with excitement and solid understanding. Not a single person has complained about the port.

    As for performance, I struggle to see how the Windows notebook Trey’s purchased is comparable to the MacBook Pro in any way. Some reviews point to lacklustre SSD performance as a significant drawback, which is a massive red flag to creative professionals. Never mind the issues with display quality, peripheral performance, battery life, etc.. It’s such a short sighted decision to make.

  • Eden Brackstone

    Petragon are a manufacturing giant, and contract to Apple (along with others) product some of the million iPhones a day that are made at peak manufacturing volume. Do your research.

  • scottygraham

    Trey….a few posts back you said you wrote to Adobe about how slow Lightroom was working (I am having the same issue)…does your switch to a PC have something to do with this? Did you hear back from Adobe??

  • Stu – SIC

    Hey Scotty, Trey has been on the move this week so the investigation is ongoing… I’ll update you (if he doesn’t) once he’s worked through the suggestions from Adobe. 🙂

  • Warren Skank

    No Trey windows still requires me to install security software while my friends with Macs don’t have to. I think its more than that its the fact I have many more problems and fewer apps with windows. I hope you are correct and it’s getting better because a fairly good laptop with touch screen is considerably less expensive than a new Mac with out a touch screen. Thanks trey.

  • kadajawi

    Haven’t had a virus or anything like that for many years. Like, a decade or so? Perhaps more. And I might occasionally visit sites that may or may not be a bit shady. Still nothing. Microsoft had to make Windows bulletproof, because it was under constant attack. When there is an issue, they fix it pretty damn fast. Apple can’t secure their systems if their life depended on it, luckily Macs just aren’t a big enough target. Otherwise those gaping holes they have had for months, if not years, would easily be exploited.

    Also, where does Microsoft install software updates via browser? Are you using Windows XP?!

  • kadajawi

    There’s one easy solution: Don’t be stupid. Actually I only use Security Essentials from Microsoft for protection, and I don’t have any issues.

  • kadajawi

    Welcome back to Windows. At work I have to use a Mac, and it drives me nuts. All. The. Time. The usability of that thing is just terrible, things that I do on Windows all the time are simply missing. And for the most part it’s because Apple is too stubborn to implement good ideas when they are not theirs. I’m surprised they even have 2 buttons on their mice… took them a while.

    I know, Windows is soooo insecure. Right. Not really, if you’re not stupid. Don’t open files that are sent to you unless you’re really, really sure they are safe. Don’t open files that started downloading when you surfed the web, unless you actually wanted them. And keep Windows (and the rest of the software) up to date. Unlike Apple, there are frequent updates and Microsoft does fix holes ASAP (in stark contrast to Apple). Only reason Apple is “safe” is because they are insignificant.

    I loved Macs during the days of Windows 2000, XP. They were lightyears ahead. The UI made more sense. But since then Microsoft has done A LOT, while Apple has stopped bothering. And now Microsoft seems more innovative, daring and creative than Apple. It’s sad. So sad.

  • kadajawi

    I’m running a 2012 Ivy Bridge i5 as my main computer, running a Windows 7 installation from 2009 (yes, I did switch mainboard, graphics, drives, CPU, and pretty much everything after the OS got installed). It’s running just fine. Yes, Lightroom performance could be better, but that’s because the machine is running the integrated Intel graphics, and the one Intel had 2012 was not exactly fast).

    With every single update Apple will remove more, until you won’t be able to do anything with the machine. I use a Samsung windows tablet as my second machine, and while performance is good (within limits, 4 GB RAM won’t get you that far – thankfully Windows 10 does compress memory on the fly), the lack of ports is driving me nuts. For everything I need a dongle, and hub, and card readers, and and and. Setting up the machine takes forever compared to my old laptop. If the machine had a SD slot… but I can (barely) accept it because the thing is like 6mm thick and has a gorgeous OLED screen. Macs have neither.

    My guess is that the next Macbook Pro won’t even have a headphone jack, and forget about repairing the thing, about taking out the drive to read the valuable data on it if the machine can’t boot up, …

  • kadajawi

    Something must be wrong with my computer, because the performance is just fine despite my Windows installation being 8 years old now, and most of the hardware being 5 years old at this point.

    Also, if you want your computer to look good: Have a look at the In Win 900 series of computer cases. They are sexy as hell, made out of one thick slab of aluminium and two tempered glass panels.

  • kadajawi

    I also found USB-C to be… rather problematic. My Windows tablet has one USB-C port. So it is use other devices with it, or charge it. Now, there are hubs to fix that (though troublesome it is), but I had to find out that not one works completely (most can’t charge via pass-through), except the one from the manufacturer. And even that does have occasional hick-ups, such as not recognizing attached hard drives. It may be more of a issue with my tablet than with others, but compatibility issues are real.

    Then there is the question of which functions are supported. Is it HDMI over USB-C? Or is the data transferred via USB, and the hub/adapter has a graphics chip built in? You never know what is in the adapter, and it is also hard to impossible to find out if the computer supports actual video out over USB-C. Same thing for ethernet. Some computers support Thunderbolt 3, others don’t. There are even USB-C ports that only support USB 2.0. Also wasn’t it that the left ports on a MacBook Pro are faster than the right ones, or something like that?

    Oh yeah, and not every cable will support every feature, and some can even kill your devices or computer.

    Calling USB-C a mess doesn’t even get close to what it is right now, and manufacturers often aren’t exactly forthcoming as to what their USB-C port does support.

    USB-C promises a lot, and it certainly is quite capable, but instead of making things simpler it seems to make them harder. Much harder. Much more research intensive. Until now if the cable did fit, it would usually work. That’s not the case with USB-C anymore. Maybe we’ll get there, but I have my doubts.

    The main hardware issue I have is dropping the SD slot. Not just that it is a useful slot to have (my camera uses SD cards), but also that it shows how little care Apple has for their consumers. The slot doesn’t cost much. A couple of cents? But they dropped it regardless, giving excuses that are absolutely ridiculous. Using WiFi to transfer the photos? Right… it’d take forever. Plus use up the battery. And it’s nowhere as convenient as simply inserting the card to copy the files. What was the actual reason? That it’d ruin the lines of the computer? wow. What a huge issue that needed to be fixed.

  • kadajawi

    Duff, I also use Mac and Windows. I liked Macs more in the Windows XP era, but since Vista Microsoft has done so much to improve Windows, that I am literally forced to use a Mac at work. If I had the choice, it’d be a Windows machine, hands down. The usability of OS X is… lacking. Odd. And simply missing many things I use on a daily basis, while not offering much in return. The only thing I’d miss would be that admittedly pretty good iMac screen. And yes, OS X seems to be a bit more efficient, but PCs have better hardware for the money, thus easily making up for that.

  • kadajawi

    Eden, I’ve written above what I think about USB-C. Maybe you’d like to seek out that comment. But the summary is: USB-C promises a lot, and I love what it promises. I don’t think it can come soon enough. However USB-C is only a physical port, and there are many features possible with it that may or may not be supported by each device, by each computer, and even cable. Some combinations will work, others won’t, yet others will kill your machine, and manufacturers aren’t too forthcoming with what exactly their device does and does not support. It is a mess, and I don’t know if it will ever get fixed.

    Still, I want USB-C to come and succeed, even if I am having problems with it. But why did Apple drop the SD slot? There was no need to do so, no benefits to doing so (I thought old MacBook Pros looked sleek enough), and it would cause a lot of trouble for me. I need that slot, and card readers aren’t as convenient.

  • kadajawi

    My Windows 10 computers don’t crash. Neither does my Windows 7 computer. I’ve also had crashes on the Mac at work… more so than on the Windows computers. There are things I don’t like about Windows 10, for sure (especially the new updater is terrible, useless and a big step down from Windows 7), but there are more things I hate about OS X. Things that Windows has, but OS X doesn’t.

    Actually, come to think about it, I’ve recently had the Mac crash so hard that I couldn’t even restart it. It was running, but the only way to get it back working was to hold the power button. Needless to say I lost quite a bit of work because of this. I haven’t had anything this bad happen to me on Windows in a long time, and I use Windows more than I use OS X. All these myths about Windows that Mac users seem to have are rather dated. No OS is problem free (not even Windows), but they are all pretty good.

    Forced updates? Updates are necessary. They are what keeps the machine safe. If Macs would be attacked as hard as Windows is, they would be unusable. All those gaping security holes that Apple doesn’t fix… thankfully they don’t get attacked. It’s just a shame Microsoft is handling those updates… then again given how people just would not update, they had to do something about it. Every not updated machine is a risk to others.

  • acerwax

    Never had Mac OS crash on me. None of those issues you list I have ever had with any MacBook Pro.

    Forced updates are not necessary. It is not necessary for Microsoft to force my machine to shutdown whenever it feels I need updates. I, the user should make that decision. I have lost work because of this crap. You have your opinion but windows 10 and it’s 80% outsourcing of its operating system code has lead to a scattered unorganized spammed out disaster of an operating system.

  • Yeah, I definitely see Apple moving away from their Creative Pros kind of customer base to becoming iPhone Inc.

    I finally got around to watching your transition video and I’m super curious how you keep your Lightroom catalogs and files in sync. When you get things working smoothly, could you show us your catalog/file/archive management?

  • eMaX

    Trey, for LR syncing, you may also want to have a look at Seafile. It is like Dropbox, but on your own server. I’m using it since a long while, and it is a lot faster than other alternatives like OwnCloud.

  • yeah – I’ve had no problem with viruses or anything. You know, back 10 years ago things were less standardized and people (including me) would install EXEs from the most ropey sites… but that doesn’t happen any more

  • Yes I figured out that I need to Turn On the graphics card with a little button to the left of the keyboard. It wasn’t obvious, and may be specific to MSI.

  • Great and hot points there!! 🙂

  • Wow good success story there! 🙂

  • Thanks so much Sir @BobWaltman:disqus ! 🙂

  • Matt Todd

    I’ve never had a virus in the 25 years I’ve been using windows. I’ve had a few hard drive failures and other issues in the younger days of windows. But Windows 10 has been pretty bullet proof for me so far. I know plenty of people who’ve had issues with their apple products which have resulted in panic and data loss. It may not be from the dreaded virus everyone is so scared of but they have their own problems. There’s a genius bar for a reason. A lot of the “security” of apple and linux comes from obscurity. And security through obscurity isn’t really a policy I’m comfortable with. From my experience if you aren’t stupid about what you click on you should generally be fine with windows. Microsofts antivirus is all I’ve run for a number of years now.

  • Dave Willis

    You say you’ve been using Windows since version 1.0 but it sounds like you never upgraded past that. You should upgrade to 7 or 10 and then these problems you talk about won’t exist. Windows rot isn’t a thing, updates are not installed via browser, viruses are only a problem for people who believe that email really came from a Nigerian prince, and drives are no more likely to be corrupted in Windows than anywhere else. No one is going to switch to an outdated version of Windows so your advice isn’t relevant (apart from not using IE/Edge – that’s still good advice. These days Safari is worse tho). And Ubuntu is great if you don’t need to use any software.

  • TJ Bone

    You are wrong about the Windows rot. Go do some reading about it. I have seen it and experienced it first hand. I have machines at home that are Win7 and 10. You can still get infected. Maybe IT people are not stupid enough to click on something but for many people all it takes is one click. Viruses can come in via other avenues besides email. They can come in via a web browser such as IE.

  • TJ Bone

    I watched the wife of my doctor infect her all of 1 week old new computer running Windows 10. I agree with what you say about being careful what you click on, however the general public is not careful.

  • Dave Willis

    Just because you can google “windows rot” doesn’t mean it’s a thing. Windows rot is a pejorative term for the slowdown that occurs when you install a ton of crappy software. Installing a ton of crappy software will slow down any computer, not just Windows. It’s true that once upon a time Windows was especially prone to it but since MS virtualized the registry a decade ago it hasn’t been a serious problem. As I said, no one is going to use an outdated version of Windows. You can’t even buy a version old enough to have that problem anymore.

    Also, yes, all it takes is one click to get a virus–on Windows, OS X or even Linux. Using IE does increase that risk somewhat though.

    You’re talking about edge cases and outdated issues like they’re problems every Windows user will inevitably face. It’s just dishonest.

  • Joseph

    I would love to hear you elaborate on how Apple’s “close ecosystem” was hurting you. What couldn’t you do that you can do on Android? Also, did you know that you didn’t HAVE to use apple’s stock mail and maps apps? And Google Inbox and Google Maps are more frequently updated on iOS as well.

    And how is Apple making “iPhones for soccer moms”? Sounds like someone at Apple killed a family member of yours. Where did the vitriol come from?

    Also don’t forget that Apple’s App ecosystem is far superior to Androids.

  • TJ Bone

    You are wrong about the Windows rot, its not just caused by installing crap software. Its caused by Windows itself. It is a thing, I have tons of experience with it first hand. The first thing to realize is that Microsoft continually applying patched generally degrades the system. Yes it needs to be done but over time it causes tons of problems. Registry virtualization or not the registry still has tons of problems in all versions of Windows. And yes applications can still write to it, virtualized or not.

    You can insist all you want that I am wrong but you can go out on the web and do a search on Windows 10 problems and you will see tons of people complaining about ABC. Heck my Doctors wife’s brand new Win10 computer all of 1 week old got infected with something. She had all the antivirus stuff installed and she got it anyway.

    Actually it does not take 1 click on other systems as it does on Windows. Neither Linux or OS X install software via their embedded browser as does Windows. If you choose to use Windows thats fine, I use it as well but please do not say that getting viruses and malware is an edge case because its not.

  • Dave Willis

    Windows doesn’t install system software via any browser. Only browser extensions are installed that way and all browsers do that on all platforms. What you’re talking about is an issue with IE, specifically ActiveX, and is why I said using IE increases risk.

    If you have tons of experience with Windows rot then you’re doing it wrong. Breaking your computer is user error, not a problem with the computer. All computers, including phones, experience slowdown over time. Pretending it’s only Windows is dishonest.

    You’ve basically said that anyone who uses Windows is going to get viruses, is going to have their computer become super slow and is going to have hard drives be corrupted and fail. While all of those things can potentially happen, they are no more likely to happen on Windows than they are on OS X or Linux. Viruses are the only legitimate concern that you’ve mentioned, and that’s mainly because of the enormous market share Windows has compared to the others, but a little precaution is all that is necessary to mitigate that. Like buckling your seat belt in a car. Simple stuff.

  • Igor Urdenko

    +1 To read about the limits.
    I would be also interested to know what was so bad to do on MacOS that easy to do on Windows?
    I have started myself using Mac recently (4+ months), however I do not like new MacBook Pro design, especially the idea of using one type port for all. From the other side, I am software developer, so, I am not so critical to photos processing. I can switch to Linux.

  • Tom Coyner

    Any new computer system right out of the box ‘works great!’ Let’s see Trey’s comments two years from now and see how ‘great’ it is. What I appreciate with OSX is the painless refreshing of the OS every month or two. Good luck, Trey! Enjoy your good times while they last. And about your wonderful Android iPhone, a Chinese friend of mine who has supervised both Galaxies and iPhones being assembled in China, she told that while there is nothing wrong with the components and the design with the Galaxy phones, what passes during final assembly with Samsung would not be tolerated by Apple assembly lines. I hope you are not using a Galaxy (and probably no other Korean phone)!

  • Mark Rosher

    I don’t know when or why I started getting your emails into my in-tray but this one I actually read, because it seemed so confused and confusing. I accept fanboi status generally means someone who falls out of love as deeply and as quickly as they fell in, but nothing else in your post makes much sense.

    You need a machine that can handle a LOT. Well my old 2011 iMac is still banging through the RAW files and videos without even sniffing. You had a problem with the 79p per month for secure off site backup facilities, but with some file discipline no-one generally needs it anyway. Then you admit to using dissimilar operating systems in your desktop, laptop, tablet and phone choices and found sharing photos and at a an adventure… really. Finally you admit to having poor file storage and organisational skills and celebrate the new box as being a tidy new start. Wait until that registry starts getting full of rubbish…

    Meh, go enjoy your new box. I would like a PC only because Apple haven’t currently implemented some graphics conventions which disallows me from playing Elite Dangerous. But that’s absolutely all I’d want one for. And that’s not enough (but almost).

    I think you’re thinking computers are still tech, and therefore finding new stuff less than awesome. The tech has largely matured our at least plateau’d for a while now. It’s no longer sexy, it just works. When the next best thing comes along the tech base will shift, one way or the other. But your PC stuff won’t get the amazingly good after sales service Apple offers and that I have direct experience of, and that’s worth paying premium for.

  • John D. Roach

    Trey, I just can’t go with you on this. Let me say that your perspective is absolute nonsense! Mac is still the best platform and now there are wonderful software that work seamlessly with a Mac. I mean in addition to LR and PS I have the MacPhun Suite, Luminar, Aurora HDR 2017, etc. Maybe you have the money and time to bounce around from platform to platform but don’t feed us with this insanity.

  • jhoke

    Trey – GMTA … I’ve been on the fence for a bit … LONG time Apple user (since the Apple ][ for godsake… and every major cupertino computer since..)

    http://hoke.org/john/2017/03/confessions-apple-fanboy/

    This post of yours i think is helping to seal the deal

    And for the record… my day job is the head of Information Security for a fortune 500 travel company… so I am not coming from this as only a fanboy or enduser … windows has made some critical game changing moves

  • helloandy

    Most of Trey’s reasons are just not true. I don’t know if he actually believes it, or if it’s some kind of hidden sponsored hardware and blog post. In many countries it’s illegal to write such posts without clearly stating what’s being payed for and not, and I can just hope it’ll go for everyone in the world as soon as possible.

  • Tomas

    Good Luck Trey, I would never go to windows back !!!

  • Whitney Shaw

    just this week, i unloaded my mac pro computer which i never felt comfortable with and got the new microsoft surface studio, pretty sweet machine.

  • steve

    Windows 10 is good, doesn’t seem to slow down like older versions did. I use the free iobit Advanced System Care to keep it running well. If you really want some fun, dual boot with a Linux OS, lots of great free software to try and very stable.

  • Andrew Soutter

    haha how much did you get paid for this? Windows and Microsoft is a joke and its caused literally pain to millions of users worldwide with its terrible operating systems not to mention the paid security flaws.

  • Marvin Nauman

    I started with Dos (the early years), used a Mac at work and
    hated the limitations. Switched PC and never looked
    back. Good call with the 17″… nice big screen plus add a SSD
    for the second Drive and keep your programs on C and work files and paging on
    the 2nd Drive for faster performance and easier to back up either programs or
    Files… plus you can back up drive “C” to the 2nd drive for
    emergencies (which I have never needed… but sure nice if I did on the road).

    Add a good anti-Virus like My Kaspersky and Malware bytes… and you should be
    good.

    I want the first release of Aurora PC. I’m teaching a photo student of
    mine how to use it on her Mac… and love the program.

  • Paul Marks

    Every time I bemoan the lack of a truly modern, faster MacPro, or a cost-effective new MacBook Pro, a little voice in my head reminds me why I left Windows completely. Offsetting the lack of the latest Intel processors is the lack of networking issues, few OS crashes, no wifi glitches, and almost no troubleshooting of others’ computers in the household.

    Of course, I’m biased: I pay for my machines and I preform tech support for a 5 computer household. Gone is my office of Windows, where I had professional tech support at substantial cost; in a less complex network with paid support, simplicity and reliability of operation and connectivity are of paramount importance. Although pretty tech savvy, I found over the years that Windows became so complex and bulky that I needed a tech expert on call at all times – I almost never need to resort to AppleCare when I can’t quickly find a solution with an easy Google search.

    Then there’s the vulnerability of Windows, for whatever reason.

    Am I happy that Apple ignores the professional end of the spectrum? No! But the alternative of switching to Windows is unacceptable.

  • John

    I’m glad you found a solution that benefits your workflow.

  • slerched

    Welcome back.

    For me, platform choice comes down to what you want to do. If you are a developer that wants to support every platform, you have almost no choice. You go Mac because it’s the only machine that would legally allow you to run all of the OSes you are trying to develop for. If Mac allowed you to create a Mac OS VM, that advantage would disappear, but it is what it is.

    For photography and creative workflow, news flash – Mac or Windows PCs will work out just fine for you. And in most cases, everything you want on the one platform is available on the other. Decide which OS you prefer, and there you go. And if you decide you don’t like where you are and want to convert, and have the time and money to be able to convert, then convert. It’s a personal choice.

    I would love a Surface Studio personally. But I don’t have the money, and I don’t do enough creatively that requires a “write/draw/markup on the screen” type pen. My Surface Pro 3 works well enough when I want that. It’s just a desire for a new toy there.

    As far as folks complaining about Windows performance, you’ve obviously not used Windows since XP, Vista, or early Windows 7 days. With Windows 8 they had some great performance gains… that most people hated only because of the interface (personal choice). Windows 10 out of the box is the most stable Windows OS ever. I’m running it on my personal Surface Pro 3, my personal Dell desktop, my work laptop, and my work Surface Pro 4 (don’t ask). I have performance issues w/ the work PCs because of McAfee, not because of Windows 10. Which brings up another good point – you should be fine with the built in Windows Defender as long as you aren’t downloading questionable files and exes frequently. It’s gotten a ton better with Win 10.

    To temper all my crap with something useful. Hit the Windows key on the keyboard and just type what you’re looking for. My desktop is clean, my taskbar is clean (mostly). In most cases I can just start to type what I want and hit enter (ex, photoshop I type phot and I can hit enter and Photoshop opens because of how often I use it).

    In the end, if you love the Mac, stay with it. If you love Windows, stay with it. If you are on the fence, and have a Mac, try out Windows 10 with Parallels or VM Ware. If you’re on Windows and want a Mac… you will just have to buy a Mac if you don’t want to try to install Mac OS in a VM in a very annoying process.

    Welcome back to Windows Trey.

  • slerched

    Kindle app is shit because Amazon won’t update it. Use the web reader instead. Unfortunate but true.

  • Mark Gray

    Apple’s attitude to creative pros is exemplfied by the Mac Pro. A three-year-old machine that was barely state-of-the-art when it was released (save for the form factor, which got panned for looking like a trashcan, and its use of thunderbolt/fast SSD storage which everyone else has now mostly caught up with).

    I tried a Mac many years ago, and while I could see some of the benefits, it didn’t work for me (mostly because my day job is all Windows). I did use that as a springboard into iOS and have stuck with that. I tried Android for a while but that didn’t work for me (though the blame for that mostly lies with Samsung’s modifications that generally made the whole thing feel bloated and buggy – I’ll wager the Pixel is an order of magnitude better).

    That MSI laptop looks heavy, so I get why you got the Surface Pro as well – carrying a bag containing a heavy laptop and a bunch of camera gear through an airport gets old, fast. Dell’s current line of Precision laptops do a pretty good job of providing power without the heft, though despite having dedicated graphics I doubt its up to the job of running VR.

  • slerched

    One way you can open whatever you want, or verify something is safe – build a Hyper-V VM. If you are using Windows 10 Pro (upgrade, it’s worth it if you are on Home IMO), you can install Win 10 in a VM within Win 10. Build the VM, create a checkpoint. Save your files to the VM, open them. If something bad happens, revert to the checkpoint.

    You can also create VMs for Linux if you like and run those as well. You could even run Windows 7 if you wanted.

    Only problem with running Windows VMs, you would need to obtain licenses for them, which could be a killer cost. Enterprise license for home users would be great in these cases!

  • slerched

    For the record, I’ve been using Windows 10 Technical Previews since October 2015. You should never need to reformat and restart with Windows 10. And if it does start performing poorly, waiting for a new version of Windows 10 could be a possibility. We had the original release 1511, then the Anniversary edition 1607, and the Creator’s Update is on deck for release this month or next (believe they are currently calling it 1703 so would indicate March 2017 is the target).

    With the Tech Previews, I certainly have done my fair share of in place upgrades. Sometimes as many as 3 times a week depending on release cadence. I’ve had… issues and have had to rebuild, but the machines I have access to that I just stick to non-preview releases have done great with the upgrade process to a new build.

    And the refresh option for Win 10, while not perfect, works pretty well too for retaining files but not programs/apps. I can rebuild a PC from scratch these days in about 90 minutes tops. Includes installing the Adobe CC Suite.

  • darkstar83

    So where does that leave you with MacPhun’s Aurora HDR 2017, which you helped develop? As of right now, it’s Mac only.

  • Stu – SIC

    Great feedback, thanks 🙂

  • David Drucker

    I’ve had several great Windows machines from “Maingear”, including a blazing fast laptop that I’m currently using.

  • Stu – SIC

    Aurora for Windows shouldn’t be too much longer, we hope 😀

    Avast is also a great anti-virus, although it is getting a little more noticeable over time with information popups which is a shame.

  • Stu – SIC

    People do seem to like their dual boot systems. Rarely see anything negative about it. 🙂

  • Stu – SIC

    Surface Studio looks great. Be sure to update us on how you get on with it.

  • Stu – SIC

    Hey Andy, the move from Mac to Windows was all about productivity/workflow and performance. What reasons do you feel are not true (and why)?

  • Stu – SIC

    Windows version soon! (ish)

  • Stu – SIC

    Hey John, fun blog post 🙂 Let us know how you get on with the switch!

  • Jym

    Agree. To Trey, I hope you made the right choice, but you are not convincing me here.

  • Stu – SIC

    Think of it more as time saved, or productivity gained. With all the images and content Trey creates on a daily basis the huge boost in performance from the new MSI laptop is a huge benefit.

  • Rich Minear

    I love seeing what everyone uses for their workflow, equipment, and software. And I’m an technical IT person for my career. Windows pays the bills for me…but I’m not a fan of Windows 10. And Microsoft seems to be all over the board with what they are doing.

    For home, and my photography, I wanted a machine that just works. Obviously, I’m not the professional photographer…and my workflow is much more simple. But both Aurora and now Luminar on the Mac are where I plan to stay.

  • Kaveer Chatoorgoon

    That was my question, and one of the reasons I haven’t switch yet (though I bought a PC to test the waters).

  • EduardoOB

    Microsoft Windows 10 in MacBookPro without bootcamp…
    You only need install Windows in another pc and change hard disk later 😉

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/22424664f0f799bbd84a5dde191c1d5c563c1986bfaaaab4a19bd311547423f5.jpg

  • I’m not OK with everything Microsoft is doing, but I’ve got to say, if you accept that the computer world is moving to what is essentially an online environment for 80-95% of what most people do, but that there will still be a strong need for locally resident apps, then the Windows 10 model seems to be well thought out and offers real convenience to the Desktop users.

    I didn’t think I’d ever say this, but I kinda like Win 10.

    I never had to come back to Windows, since as an ACDSee user, I couldn’t expect to go to Mac and take my photographic workflow with me, but during the Vista and Win 7 years, I still WANTED to leave the Windows environment, My dream was that ACDSee would produce a native Linux application. (like that would ever happen!)

    But since Windows 10 and the release of ACDSee Ultimate 10, I no longer have the desire to leave the Windows environment. I like how Windows 10 works and integrates the local environment with the online environment, and I like how ACDSee seems to be moving towards that level of awareness as well. I feel better about my computer life than I have is a while.

  • “Windows 10 is getting really good”. Getting? That’s the problem for me. I recently sold a 2011 Macbook Pro. Wasn’t really using it as my main machine is an iMac. Tried using a PC laptop in the interim for a few months and started looking at laptops with more power, better specs etc. than a MacBook and the reasons for me switching to Mac all those years ago came flooding back; the Windows ecosystem is just crap.

  • Stu – SIC

    Interesting thoughts Glen, thanks for that 🙂

  • ChristianGeek

    I’ve been using a Mac since 1984, even through the hideous years while Steve was off at NeXT. But last year I built my first PC desktop, mainly because I wanted to take advantage of the faster NVIDIA cards to play around with machine learning and CUDA, and partially because I’ve really been enjoying coding in C# professionally over the past 5 years. I still have a MacBook Pro (2014) and remote into my PC from the MBP when I’m away from home using TeamViewer. I actually like Windows 10 a lot, especially as a development environment. It’s not for everyone (the Mac still has its strong points), but it becomes more and more attractive to power users as Apple moves further away from us.

    One recommendation, especially if you’ve ever used Windows in its pre-8 incarnations, is to install a program like StartIsBack (startisback.com), which restores the Start Menu to the format used in Windows 7.

    Have fun!

  • j.a.

    It seems that the Mac fun is over but not the Macphun that is getting the pressure to move on to Windows as well.

    Perhaps Apple post-Steve-Jobs direction is not liked by a lot of people, new products needs dongles for everything which is weird. I have a Win10 computer that was very fast and after so many updates from Microsoft, it is as crap as any previous version of Windows I had in the past no matter that I don’t use that computer that much. On the other hand my 3 years old MacBook still performs as well as day one.

    In your list of most important list of things to install, you missed an antivirus.

  • Thanks hot tip! 🙂

  • Hmmm I should check that out! 🙂

  • David Hannon

    Apparently Aurora HDR 2017 isn’t all that compelling. Lack of discipline in the workflow is a poor excuse to switch. Reminds me of a sister than closed her bank account and opened a new one every year just to avoid balancing her checkbook.

  • I have been using Macs since the 1980s and I’m ready to move over as
    well. Apple never listens to me, they don’t care what I want, in fact
    it’s impossible to have a discussion with Apple, they don’t embrace
    Social Media, they are a walled garden and ignore any critique even if
    it comes from somebody who has used their gear for over 25 years.

    https://au.pinterest.com/pin/2392606033327843/

  • JP Loinsigh

    It’s really crazy to see all the fanboys jump all over this. Apple’s machines are not performing. At that price point the high end performance should be a given and it’s not. It’s lunacy to bemoan his switch and rant “how could you!” when they just don’t fulfill the needed requirements. I can read emails on my phone, I don’t need a glorified netbook, I need a powerful machine.

    Mac’s are not a powerhouse, they simply do not have the innovation or the hardware. Touchbar? You mean what Lenovo did with the X1 Carbon years ago? Multiple generations back on the processors? Video cards that are underpowered? There is no substitute for raw working power and that is something that Apple has been missing.

  • JP Loinsigh

    Insanity is suffering through an under-performing machine: the Macbook.

  • jhoke

    Thanks… I’ve avoided MS products for most of my professional career, and have a lot of capital (intellectual as well as fiscal) in Apple products, but its clear that Apple has fallen into the trap of chasing the handheld market … and they do not care anymore for the OSX platform.

    I am not insinuating MS cares at all … but they are showing promise and desire … and Apple has become less innovative and more of a hasbeen/follower …

    Its Freaky Friday of the Tech World… MS and Apple switched bodies?

  • JP Loinsigh

    That just sounds like you’re peddling conspiracy theory. I read the article and didn’t see any of that.

  • JP Loinsigh

    Bob, is Oloneo still supported? I went to their website and the last update looks to be from a year ago.

  • JP Loinsigh

    This is great, thanks for sharing!

  • JP Loinsigh

    You’re cherrypicking information here. He just wanted a fast machine, and Apple does not provide that. It’s that clear. Clearing the workflow was a fringe benefit for the switch he was already doing because Apple just will not innovate and create machines that are equal to their Windows counterparts. Seems a little silly to be beholden to a brand because of the brand doesn’t it?

  • I can’t say for sure when I updated last but the latest version supports the Nikon D500 which would make the update less than a year old. I don’t use it that often as it’s such a niche program but I can tell you that on Win 10 it works very well. I haven’t had any issues with it. They do have a trial version you can try. Hope that helps 🙂

  • The true reason https://youtu.be/-XSC_UG5_kU 🙂

  • Sandra Chung

    I have a lot of friends who had Macs who have switched to PCs for audio/video/graphics/photograph editing for the same reason. Processing power, and more flexibility and choices for programs/software. Fanbois freaking out about it, hey, if you have a car that limps along, can’t climb hills, and the next year model has the same issues, you wouldn’t get that car. Same applies to computers.

  • As an independent IT Consultant and former pro photographer and audio visual producer, I see the (IT) world, and digital imaging, from both sides. I work on both PCs and Macs, as well as renewing my photography and film (now video) roots. 30+ years ago, when I owned an audio-visual production company and needed to choose between a Mac with a postage stamp little black and white screen and an astronomical price tag, or an early PC running Windows 1 at less than half the cost, it was a no-brainer. In that regard, I’ve never looked back. I appreciate the Mac build quality, but they have always been “form over function” and gotten progressively less service friendly over the years.

    My one burning question to you in all of this is, “Why aren’t you using color calibration on all your devices?” All of my pro photographer clients use color calibration, as do I on multiple computers and monitors. It’s really the only way to get consistent color reproduction across all devices and should be part of every photographer’s computer setup, whether it’s Mac or Windows.

  • BT

    Hi Trey,
    I have followed you for a long time because you engaged in and entranced me with photos, photo processing, amazing trips and tutorials.

    I am puzzled with your recent foray into Apple bashing and the hedonistic display of new PC and other equipment acquisitions. I thought it doesn’t matter what camera and computer we use. I beleive there are plenty of equipment reviewers out there and if someone wants to compare and shop, they can seek those reviewers.

    I seeked Stuck In Customs not for the hardware and software specs. I believe many viewers as well as me prefer to learn from you about composition, technique, processing, workflow and not about how you were disappointed by one manufacture over the other. I really don’t care what equipment you use and why one is better than the other. There are other photographers that use different brands of cameras or one to the other and don’t make an issue of it. I don’t own stock in any so I don’t care if people buy this or that.

    It just struck me as a bit childish of you to go to the lengths you did in blasting a company because their products were just not up to your standard and you took it personally that they didn’t “care” about creative pros to produce new stuff that met your needs.

    I just expected some more dignity from you based on what I have read and heard from you in the previous years. I didn’t think you were that vindictive. Yes, you have a huge following that learns a lot from your experience and some of these followers will restart this old obsolete infantile argument about which is better. Such a silly waste of time in my opinion.

    I hope you re-think your true direction and focus once again on the craft, the wonder that is photography and how it inspires and influences us and leave the juvenile stuff alone.

    Purchase and use what works for you. Some of us have to make do with much less but can still create wonderful images with your guidance.

    Thanks for reading.

    BT

  • Oh comon – just saying I want a more powerful computer and explaining all the lucid reasons why. Every week, I post new tutorials and tons of new photos – none of that changes but now I can do it more efficiently. It’s not “Apple Bashing” – it’s just that my new computer is faster.

  • It’s a fair question – I used to use color calibration. I loved the default Apple color calibration… so, to calibrate, I just put the PC and the Apple side by side until they were the same. Seemed more than good enough to me, and very easy.

  • Yes I’ve got a few angry Mac friends (if you couldn’t tell from the comments!)

  • I agree – whenever I see people angry and say I’m “bashing” Apple, clearly they are looking at things through their own lens. I clearly indicate how and when the PCs are superior.

  • walled garden for sure…

  • I haven’t gotten a virus yet — but I’m different than “Trey” of 10 years ago when I would click on any old EXE.

  • Good tip! 🙂

  • Did you shoot this when your computer fell into the jacuzzi?

  • Thanks – good to hear your approach

  • Yeah I think I will get a smaller MSI… just too heavy! 🙂

  • I got paid $0. But thanks for asking! 🙂

  • Absolute nonsense eh? What about when Luminar and Aurora come out on Windows? It’s not far away bro.

  • I use a Google Pixel – it seems way better in every way than my iOS devices.

  • I just checked… errr I was paid $0.

  • Apples ecosystem is not terrible, but it is not as good as Google’s. And no one paid me anything.

  • jamie

    That is the cult of Mac I guess, people that use windows use windows, people that use mac/ iphone seem more in love with the product and as with all love for reasons not always definable.

    I myself converted to Mac 10 years ago and was a fan of their product/s but never a fan of their ecosystem / cloud seemingly not so user friendly (maybe I just never spent the time to know how to use it properly. 2 years ago I switched from iPhone to Samsung, and am pretty happy with the move.

    Now that it’s time to update the Macbook Pro, and my iPad I hear your song Trey, form over function.

    Looking at the Surface Book and it’s performance paired with the versatility, I’m headed that way.

    I think Apple has dropped the ball with the iPad Pro os not handling the full Adobe creative suite and it seems to me the Surface Book basically puts what as a Mac user seems the equivalent of the Macbook Pro and iPad Pro into one device that performs my requirements with Adobe CS.

    Not Mac bashing, perhaps even a little sad to go, but not a paid up member in the cult of Mac I’m going with what works for me.

    Ciao Apple it’s been fun ; )

  • Hanns-Joachim Köhler

    Well Trey, I will keep my fingers crossed that you won´t regret your decision. It took me some time until I switched from Windows to Apple. I never regretted it! I use for business a Mac Pro with a 7-core processor and 64GB for CGI, retouching and stuff. During retouching my tif files sometimes exceed 4gb and I use a lot of peripheral hardware – 3 monitors, a cintiq tablet, 2 printers, scanner … besides 3 external hardware drives and a NAS servers. I have 3 to 6 applications running at the same time … this thing has never failed me so far (4 years).
    I find it a bit sad that you proclaim to have found “the perfect solution” without really knowing if that will be the case. To some extent you are misleading your followers – of which you have a lot.
    I am following you since your beginnings with Stuck in Customs … And you have shared a huge amount of very valuable information. For my personal taste this has been a bit off – sorry!

  • Jongas Pongas

    Apple of course is better for average users who are not very technically savvy and dont like to learn how to keep their computers clean. apple does that neatly for them for most part. as of performance it is a fact that pros always prefer pcs over macs. because you get more bang for your buck when you go with pc. i once had this client who was working on american idol and he brought his 5 thousand dollar desktop for a video card upgrade and he told me they have a mac pro they have spent 6 k on and it was chocking up on each render, while on that same price pc you could render and edit another video at the same time!
    another thing is mac os. im very good with computers to say the least, but i just can’t get used to the weirdness of it. i guess my brain just rejects mac os automatically i find it totally backwards and very messy too. all my clients who come in with macs tend to have the same common denominator – messy desktop – most of them dont even know where their stuff is – i dont know how mac lovers say its so intuitive i dont think it is! and at last i run windows 7 on my mac pro and my 15 inch retina macbook without any problems and i love it! haha

  • j.a.

    That’s good to hear! Enjoy your new PC, MSI makes wonderful machines. By the way, how do you find the X1D? I used one last week and I fell in love

  • Stu – SIC

    Interesting experience. Thanks for sharing 🙂

  • Stu – SIC

    Seems like a well thought out decision. Let us know how you get on. 🙂

  • helloandy

    That’s good, or maybe bad, for you. Maybe you should’ve gotten payed. 🙂 It’s another discussion, but I think it highlights the problem where people cannot be sure what’s payed for and not, and I’m happy that more and more countries are trying to fix this by forcing bloggers/vloggers/etc to clearly state when they are sponsored and not. If I only read Stuckincustoms, maybe it wouldn’t be an issue, but the daily amount of news to keep up with makes it difficult to sort out the fake/bought posts from the true ones.

  • helloandy

    First I’d like to point out that I work on a high-end PC with Windows 10.

    You mention workflow, and maybe this will change after a while, but it’s obvious that the workflow right now is worse. Keeping two computers, syncing with Dropbox, and all sorts of weird workarounds for something that used to pretty much “just work”, according to the blog post. The productivity reason is hard to measure. The raw performance helps with large files and rendering etc, but you have to look at the big picture when it comes to productivity. Windows 10 is less effective than Mac OS in many ways, and that beast of a laptop is probably nothing you’ll keep in a backpack when working on the road. I guess you’d have to compare a month of photo trips and see what the changes in output there was.

    The raw graphics performance of this new laptop is undoubtedly better than a Macbook, but the size is a super-weird choice. I don’t believe anyone would want to carry a laptop like that around, and if it mostly stays on the desk, then for the love of God get a desktop computer instead. If you need a portable laptop with great performance, there’s a lot of better choices, maybe one from Razer for example. If you really wanna spend all this money on the Vive and a laptop that’s supposed to be made for VR, then fine, but… what about photography?

    This blog post also have a crappy title, and starts off by provoking people to reignite the old PC vs Mac war, which is just unnecessary. There are claims about how Apples ecosystem is closed, when Google is at least as bad and also only offer half-offline solutions (Google Photos on desktop anyone?). And there’s nothing stopping you from using Google’s products on Iphone/Ipad/Mac, and sometimes they are even slightly ahead on the Apple platform.

    As I said, I work on a Windows 10 PC with a fantastic 1080 card etc, but there are a million of problems with this setup for photographers, and just color profiles and color representations would use up a full blog post. How Trey “solved” it is just… I mean… I have no words.

  • Trey, you can choose your preferred graphics processor per application in the nVidia Control Panel under Manage 3D Settings. I set all my Adobe apps to run on my nVidia 1070 instead of Intel Graphics for better performance. This way you can still conserve battery power without having to reboot between hybrid and discrete graphics modes for other apps like your browser or video player. 🙂

    I’m confused what MSI means by “World’s first VR-ready mobile workstation”? I’ve been doing VR on mobile workstations for 15yrs now. What’s MSI doing that’s unique over anyone else? Lots of Clevo, Sager, Asus, and other manufacturers have also had Quadro cards for several years. Must just be more marketing jargon (a.k.a. bullcrap, LOL!).

  • Stu – SIC

    Thats a good tip for the majority of people, thx. Would work for Trey also but his model has an additional button which turns off the Intel and forces the NVIDIA. That’s been his preferred method as he is almost always on power rather than battery.

  • Yes, all of my Optimus based laptops have had that button too. The only downside really to forcing discrete mode (other than heat and battery life) is that you lose a few of Intel’s GPU accelerations like QuickSync for H.264 encoding. Adobe Media Encoder and Premiere Pro can tap into Intel’s GPU at the same time as CUDA for accelerated encoding if you are in hybrid mode. But if you don’t use that feature, doesn’t matter so much. You might shorten the overall life of the laptop due to more heat and fan usage, but I don’t know of any testing that has really proven that hypothesis.

  • I should add, I have one game that just won’t detect nVidia’s GPU without being in discrete mode, but I haven’t noticed any benchmark differences in performance with other apps between discrete mode or hybrid mode, as long as they were forced to run on the correct GPU to begin with.

  • Chris Summers

    Trey, I switched my desktop system to Windows years ago and I was an early user of Apple back with Lisa and the first Mac. I could build or buy a much better machine running Windows than any Apple product. I now have a custom configured Cyberpower gaming tower for my desktop system using three 27 inch monitors. My laptop is a Lenovo Y70 17″ gaming machine and while it doesn’t boast the specs your new MSI has it is super fast and works very well for me. When I made the switch to Windows I contacted Adobe and they were great about allowing me to switch over my software at no extra cost as I was leaving the Apple platform completely. Windows 10 while not perfect is pretty good and a lot better than past Windows OS. I turned off most of the intrusive Windows programs like Cortana and chose different settings for security and Windows feedback that were set as defaults.

  • JP Loinsigh

    If this isn’t a fanboy response I don’t know what is.

  • Charles Putnam

    I’d rather have a root canal without novacain than switch to WinDoze

  • Andacar

    Nice article Trey! I’ve been using computers for creative work for decades. I never went the Apple way for a lot of reasons, but the two main ones were power for price and what I call “distraction.” As far as the first category is concerned there’s just no contest. I just built a desktop workstation myself with an i75820, 64 GB of RAM, a ton of storage and a Quadro card for about half what it would have cost to buy a comparable Mac Pro. Plus I can expand it and don’t have to buy specialized parts. Even if I’d had somebody build it or bought a name brand machine I’d still come out ahead. I could go on about all the software and Windows 10 improvements, but you know that already.

    That was the first reason, but the second was just as influential to me; not having to deal with the World of Mac. Buying a Mac is a lot like getting a Harley Davidson motorcycle: you can’t just buy the product, you have to buy into the whole Mac Experience. You are expected to make Apple into an entire lifestyle choice that affects your purchasing, social attitudes, and even political persuasion. I’ve been told by Mac users that they feel physically soiled when they touch a Windows based machine. One lady said she couldn’t work in a room full of Windows computers because they radiated “a hostile aura.” They talk about “the day they switched” the way Evangelicals talk about the day they were saved. I bought a Windows computer as a tool to do work, not as a “statement.”

    Best of luck on your new machine. Keep us up to date!

  • BadBrainzPhotoz

    Hi Trey, I’m looking forward to a week on the South Island April 5 thru 12, this year. I have many of the same issues with Apple as you, but still remember many of the reasons I left MS in the first place. I have suggested to Apple they make a “bare bones” OS as an alternative to a machine that tries to be all things to all people, several times.
    Did you consider doing what ANDACAR did, building a machine, but maybe using Linux OS instead of one of the less stable OS’s?

  • BadBrainzPhotoz

    It is not possible to know what incentives may be presented to a person with some measure of fame and credibility in a specific field. I find it something of a coincidence that the current advertising push by Microsoft/ Windows to compete with Apple [which has featured low level video practitioners proclaiming how great Windows is] and the release of this article by Trey saying about the same thing, is part of the same marketing campaign.

  • teddirez

    I’m surprised it’s taken this long. Apple lost its creative edge when they switched to intel chips. They’re simply not interested in the demographic that once kept them from going under pre iphone days. iPhone has taught them that the best demographic is one that doesn’t like to think for themselves. Just spends on a whim and more importantly when told to do so.

  • BT

    Seems that my reply’s intent was not understood well. My comments were only meant to question why the conversation was taking place in this venue and not in a tech review or forum. In my opinion it didn’t belong in a forum dedicated to photography skills. I wasn’t taking any sides on the equipment switch. I just thought that its description and elaborate story was not serving anyone’s interests other than Trey’s desire to talk about his newest acquisitions and the reasons for it. I opined that it only starts up an inane brand war that I thought was over years ago and didn’t belong here. Your assertion that 8’m a “fanboy” was puzzling. How would you know what I choose to use and what difference would that make?

    By the way, My Atari 520ST is definitely better than Commodore Amiga any day of the year….!

  • Pavol Sojak

    Hey Trey, not sure if you know (1) but you can change LR preferences to store LR presets in the same folder, together with your catalog (or one of your catalogs, asume you have some primary/working one). It is more convenient, and you can find them much easily this way. As well anytime in the future you will be moving catalog, you will see it next to it, serves as some kind of reminder.
    (2) that slow switching from LR dev mode and back could be caused by LR sending the files to GPU for processing. Try to turn that LR GPU acceleration off, and compare if its not faster. It heavily depends on the type of workflow/adjustments you do vs the type of GPU, sometimes the non-accel could be faster.
    (3)thx for sharing these experiences. It’s interesting read.

  • Pavol Sojak

    If you’re experienced user and don’t go wild on clicking on crazy staff on internet, or opening all attachments in emails without being careful youre in fact pretty save using Defender which came with Win10. Now a days many are starting asking questions about the current antivirus ecosystem, and whether it provides enough benefits on top of burning your resources. If you still feel need to have one, check out the Eset products, have much less performance impact then McAfee or Symantec.

  • Stu – SIC

    I’d say the conversation was taking place here as Trey posts about whatever is interesting to him… tv show, music, random stuff. In this case it was essentially tips on switching OS/hardware which as the article noted isn’t something you see in this direction often. Especially for photographers. Sure there was some tongue in cheek comments but the core of the content was to be helpful for those who might do the same.

    Also… Amiga allll the way. No contest.

  • Hi which MacBook Pro did you upgrade from? I mean how many years ago did you buy your current MBP?

  • BT

    I actually avoid inserting an SD card in the slot as I have had one short out because it touched the SD slot metal rim. I prefer the safer method using a cable from the camera to the computer. Then there is the need to transfer files from the new XQD card. It won’t fit in an SD card slot and you have to get an adapter. I don’t understand why all these flavors of USB needed to be created? I thought we were over having so many plugs and jacks (some bigger and heavier than what they plugged into) when SCSI was replaced…

  • BT

    You’ve touched on my sentiments (see my post above) and I’m heartened that I am not the only one who felt at odds with Trey’s post. It’s one thing to want to share a new acquisition with others or the pure joy of sharing. It’s another to use that occasion to demean a company and their products. This isn’t a case of purchasing a defective product or being cheated and letting others know so that won’t fall into the same trap. It was simply uncalled for. I also wasn’t cool with the reply I got from him…

  • Eden Brackstone

    Noted. I’ve kept clear of the other comments in this thread having already said my piece – people can take from it what they wish. You’re correct in your assessment also in my view. Upon further discussions I’ve had a few people assure me they’d also capitalise on the opportunity for brand endorsement or affiliation for profit at the expense of publicly picking a side in this ancient argument, but that is not a position I’m comfortable with…

    I feel that my comment above is as purely factual and unemotional as I could have made it. Meanwhile, Trey’s claim that his PC is faster or better is speculative at best, and would greatly depend on the applications being run. But given my experience, I can say with a high degree of confidence that the products he’s deployed as an alternative to the 2016 MacBook Pro are seriously lacking, and my guess is the cracks in the foundational infrastructure – be it hardware or software – will start to show relatively quickly.

    Alas, not everyone appreciates the implementation over the feature, or the quality over the quantity. If the majority did, we wouldn’t live in a world where there is a McDonalds or Starbucks on every city corner, or PC manufacturers building heavy, tasteless, poorly designed plastic boxes with RGB keyboard backlighting.

  • Daris Fox

    Since you’re using Windows 10, just download the Instagram app from the store. Works pretty well on the SP4.

  • Daris Fox

    Antivirus aren’t really needed anymore as they don’t protect you from lockerware, and that applies equally to Apple, Windows and Android platforms. Social engineering and drive-by exploit kits are the main vectors of attack, and Apple just doesn’t have the same level of protection as Windows has these days. Don’t believe me, just read the many security blogs that all say the same thing and also how much MS has invested in locking down Win 10.

    Windows 10 has several layers on top of Windows Defender to harden the system against attack. Is it perfect? No, but then again no system is. AV’s aren’t a mandatory requirement these days lock your system down with an adblocker, don’t click on strange files/attachments and also links. In fact AV’s can actually be a liability both in performance and to compromise HTTPS data streams as they hook into your ‘Net traffic to monitor for malware.

    Protecting your system starts with you as a user and educating yourself.

  • Stu – SIC

    “Trey’s claim that his PC is faster or better is speculative at best, and would greatly depend on the applications being run.”

    That’s the key point right there… probably the one thing the new MacBook Pro’s have on the MSI machine is the raw SSD speed. Other than memory would be about the same, though you can have more of it in the Windows machine, the CPU is faster on the MSI, the GPU is significantly better too. As an entire system it’s not speculative to say the MSI (or a comparable spec from another brand) is faster. (As a trade off for the SSD speed you can have more storage on the Windows system, so its not a complete loss there either)

    It’s not just that though as your comment on applications being run gets to the core of the issue. SD Card slot, no slot. Touch bar, no touch bar, need for ports, need for a hub… all minor things. As an artist looking to push themselves, VR is a logical step and try to do that in any meaningful way on a MacBook Pro just isn’t possible and won’t be any time soon (mainly down to the lower spec GPU, and as a result there is no software/OS support).

    Even at this early stage some of the VR/360 stuff Trey has created has been really impressive, not just to me but people external to SIC who work in that segment of the industry. The ability to not compromise on performance/features and evolve as an artist makes the system (and decision to switch) more than worthwhile.

  • Paul

    Do you back up your photos somehow other than just using a single NAS with no mirrored drives? Would hate to lose one of those 8TB drives with all of that work on it.

  • Bruce Smith

    I took a different route. I built a Hack-in-tosh so I could run Mac OS X on fast hardware with 256GB of memory. A bit of a learning curve to do the install and upgrades; now I’m loving it!

  • Sigurd Rage

    Just curious as to why you opted for two laptops, when you could have gotten a pretty decent desktop system with a good IPS monitor for the price of one of those laptops. I only work on my laptop when I’m out of my house.

  • Fadil

    I used MS products since 1987 (DOS system at that time) and finally left MS in 2010 after a huge struggle with crashes, viruses, etc. It kept us from working our job as photography and design company (now video), especially when it came to the deadline.

    The switch from MS to Mac was one of our best decision in our business. We have many Macs running in our office perfectly since day one without any problem for 7 years. A far cry when we used Microsoft products/PCs, with trouble almost every week. (please, we’re not talking only one computer, but many).

    Mac helps so much in productivity and we compare it to our previous 20 years with Windows & PCs, a far cry. So, I still can’t understand people saying that Macs have less value than Windows. In terms of hardware, yes it is. You can get more hardware with less bucks with MS system than Macs. But we don’t buy hardware. Computers are just equipment to accomplish our job, unless you’re equipment junkies that concern more to hardwares than the work we do itself.

    In the longrun, Mac products have a very good value. That’s our 30 years experience with PCs and Mac combined. They make us accomplish our jobs and that is a lot of money. I even type this comment in a 7 years MBP that run very well since day one with countless OS updates. Further, it saves us manpower. our experience in our office, one Mac computer save us from hiring two employees. That’s a lot of money again.

    That’s our experience. I respect Trey’s decision, maybe that’s what he needs and he need to try it after all. and we would love to hear from you Trey, a mont from now, three months, etc. Good luck.

  • WPKing

    I managed hundreds of pc’s for a company and I never had issues with our Windows desktops or servers. They worked flawless like your macs unless there was a hardware failure, which was rare on all those HP’s! I’m sure you didn’t add any of your exaggeration in there. “like every week they went down”. I call full bs on that!

  • WPKing

    I think you missed the part about the 60 day trip around the world. Not exactly desktop optimal!

  • WPKing

    Pathetic you must go that route with OSX. You would get more performance if it ran Windows btw!

  • WPKing

    Many peoples thoughts about Windows are old and stale and are from 20 years ago.

  • WPKing

    That phrase surely doesn’t show your age! Your last experience with it was probably Win98.

  • WPKing

    Maintenance on a Windows PC is a thing of the past. Same for buying AV, it’s included these days since the government ban has ended for them.

  • WPKing

    And you don’t think so many of us have had to hear you Mac fanboys over and over trash the PC for years? You don’t strike me as one that never did that, you seem like you bashed the PC at every chance you had. Times change!

  • WPKing

    See you old schoolers don’t know that Win10 has AV included. No need to buy it. Same for the Mac, it has it included. I bet you have zero experience with Win10!

  • WPKing

    Also everyone loves Chrome, but to be even safer use Edge browser and you will have zero malware issues surfing the web. Chrome is an old style exe program and Edge is a UWP app and is walled off from the OS in a sand box giving even more protection while surfing the very vulnerable web!

  • WPKing

    Seems the ecosystem is just fine and was this a Windows 10 laptop or an old XP system you had laying around? Hard to imagine that anyone would look at all the new form factor laptop/tablet hybrids and think the ecosystem is crap? Maybe biased just a little?

  • WPKing

    You speak so well to the crowd that still bases their opinion of Windows from many years past! It is a much better OS these days and will only be getting better. Most that bash it today have no experience with modern Windows and there are a lot of them out there.

  • Bruce Smith

    I have other reasons for wanting to stay with Apple, and I really don’t need any extra performance. I was happy with my 2010 iMac, except for limitations of the USB2 ports. I built the hack-in-tosh mainly to get a killer machine for a fraction of the cost Apple charges for something similar.

  • WPKing

    Caused great joy for all my family and friends. They like their systems updated like they do their phones and tablets. They wish their car could automatically upgrade but you know that can’t happen!

  • BT

    No, I was bashing Commodore Amiga…

  • aradilon

    I find it alway funny that people use this in their comments “that run very well since day one” sorry but that’s 7 years ago, a new pc will run MUCH faster. For example an old phone can also run like it was new, but it will be alot slower than a new phone. Also u use your experience from Windows 7 years ago, well newsflash, 7 years is a long time and Windows has gotten ALOT better, try it before u dismiss it! Btw I use mostly Windows PC but I sometimes use Mac’s and there isn’t alot of difference, they both run about the same these days!

  • I agree with you that many years ago Windows was a problem… but this new one is running great with no problems.

  • yeah just on the road a lot… and I find that a really fast laptop is just about as good as a deskop

  • Yes – I am going to Mirror the NAS

  • It was about 1.1 years old – so practically new

  • Oh good idea! 🙂

  • Mansgame

    Though I agree with you that Windows is the best, you make HDR photos so I can’t support anything else you say. HDR sucks.

  • JP Loinsigh

    The last email written in “legalese” was amazing. This is why I love following you. You’re fun insanity and creativity in everything. It made my day, thanks Trey!

  • JP Loinsigh

    Is it a partition or full on Mac machine? I’d be interested in doing a partition on a new windows machine. If you have any supporting links can you post them for me? Thanks!

  • JP Loinsigh

    Ha, this made me laugh. I’ve seen the people scared to go outside their comfort bubble. I jumped on to Android and people can’t understand. I like the direct control of my experience on my device and Android had multiple keyboards available for years before iPhone. Anyone who works remotely, especially answering a lot of emails can appreciate something as simple as an intelligent, intuitive keyboard and that’s barely scratching the surface of the topic.

  • Paul Lindstrom

    Hi Trey, sorry you don’t think Apple serves your needs anymore, and good luck with the switch!

    To my main point – when I came Step 6, how to “Get your colour right”. I must say I’m surprised that you don’t calibrate your monitors properly.

    I only use NEC or Eizo “reference” models, and calibrate them using a spectrophotometer or colorimeter. I tend to calibrate them to Adobe RGB, and get a good match on photo prints (on a properly calibrated printer). Recently I tested the fairly new Epson SC-P7000V, as well as the very new SC-P5000V, and with CMYK plus OGV (Orange, Green and Violet) you have about the same colour gamut as with Adobe RGB (Adobe RGB is about 1.2 million colours, and the Epson P7000V and 5000V reach just under that, about 980.000 colours). Visually the prints match the photo as seen on screen.

    So I strongly recommend ambitious photographers to calibrate monitors properly and professionally, and invest in the best monitors on the market. It pays off! /Paul

  • Paul Lindstrom

    My question too Nick – didn’t see your post before I posted mine above.

  • I switched to Mac over a year ago because i decided that I was never going to look at another issue where the boot file missing error message continued to appear off and on until one day half the programs were missing and most others didn’t work. A system less that two years old. At a certain point in your like you just want the stuff you buy to work or give you very little problems.

  • Paul Lindstrom

    Unfortunately the “default” or “software based” calibration Apple offered (and still offer) sucks, and have done from the start. You need better software and hardware to do this properly, and then you get both results and control. Try for example using a high end model of the NEC SpectraView series, a colorimeter and their software SpectraView Profiler (which is actually a software from the German company basICColor, and very, very good). I think you will be pleased with the control you get over the colour appearance.

  • Gary Kirkpatrick

    Trey. first time I have posted, however I have been behind the curtain for years. It is extremely interesting how so many loyal followers turned on you like rabid dogs. I see the parallel in Democrats and Republicans, Mac People being Democrats. This should irritate a whole bunch of Mac users. A little bit of my history. First camera was a Brownie box camera when I was about 10 yrs old. Then an Agpha view camera. Then first SLR was a Canon FT-QL. Turned Pro in 1982, weddings etc. Became a full time Commercial Product Photographer in 1996. I started with digital as soon as I could use the images in print for packaging. I have used and owned everything from a 110 to 8×10 view cameras. First computer was Windows 386. First Photoshop was PS 3.

    That said, reason for this post. I want to thank you for your insight to Window vs Mac. I have 6 Win computers on Win 10 and one Mac Pro. I was back to debating switching to Mac until your email on switching. It saved be a lot of time by not going back into research on the two systems, so I will just stay with Windows and use the Mac for Aurora. My primary Window machine is a Dell T7400.

    I recently started looking at On 1 Photo Raw 2017. If you have the time you might want to look into that program, if you haven’t already, I would be interested to see what you think. i am also using PS, Capture One and several HDR Programs.

  • Stu – SIC

    Hey Gary, thanks for the thoughtful comment and glad the content was useful to you. On the Photo Raw side of things. I played with it a bit recently. It’s packed with features and seems stable enough. I found it a little slow in some operations though (spot healing for example). They do have a free trial so worth checking out and seeing how it runs for you.

  • Stu – SIC

    I think most of us can relate to wanting a simple life 😀

  • Stu – SIC

    You win some, you loose some. We’ll take a 50% success rate from you for sure! 😀

  • Siamack

    While you are entitled to switch to any platform you wish, saying the new MacBook Pro lacks video editing performance is not supported by facts. All you have to do is read Larry Jordan’s detail analysis (below) with measured results to realize that smallest MacBook Pro can do video editing in 4k.
    https://larryjordan.com/articles/is-the-new-macbook-pro-fast-enough-for-video-editing/

  • Bruce Smith

    I was dual booting Linux on it’s own separate hard drive for awhile, but you can probably do it with partitions too. This is the article that got me started:
    http://lifehacker.com/the-always-up-to-date-guide-to-building-a-hackintosh-o-5841604
    Which leads you to more details here:
    https://www.tonymacx86.com/
    Good luck, like I said, there is a learning curve.

  • iris shields

    Quite frankly, the fact that Apple started soldering the memory to the motherboard baffled me to the moon and back and has me considering moving away from Mac as well -_- I mean, come on; that’s just ridiculous as now there is no way of upgrading your computer other than to buy a new one every year or two…!

  • Fadil

    Maybe that’s correct, I haven’t had any chance to check the new ones. Since I have no experience with current Windows, I don’t have any intention to plunge into any debate. It’s just that they serve me very well (the Macs for the last 7 years). The stability of the system is the most important thing that keep us focus on our work. Hope you’ve made the right decision, because you have different needs, etc than mine. Thanks for commenting.

  • Fadil

    The point why I said it still runs very nicely after 7 years, is because our experience with Windows based PCs that they never got to that point. Few years in serving our needs it becomes so slow and with too many problems that make us busy not with our works and jobs, but instead to the computer things. Fixing things, replacing other things.

    And the fact that our Macs serve our need very nicely since day one has saved us a lot of money. We don’t have to buy new computers every several years, etc. Sorry I don’t compare the millisecond processing times, etc. What we care about is completing the job. And the Macs serve us well. Very well in fact. Btw, as you use Mac also, you should know that Apple always provide us with updates. So, although the hardware is 7 years old for example, but the OS is very updated. And it is done automatically and free. We love it.

  • Fadil

    Glad that your PCs work flawlessly. Just come to our office and you can check for yourself. I’m a bit irritated if you accused me for lying! Please. If you have different experience, than please share your experience, just like us.

  • I know – some of us need more RAM than Apple thinks we need.

  • Yes, of course it can do it, but in my testing, my Windows with Premiere Pro does it faster. It depends too on how many clips and source files you are using. That is when RAM and swapping really become a factor. Having said that, I don’t actually know what Hollywood movie studios are using to edit…

  • Thanks Gary! 🙂

  • Yep – I understand – that was a big reason for me switching to Apple too. But in the last 4 months since in Windows, it’s been just as smooth as Mac in regards to those issues.

  • Good suggestions. My method of calibration is probably a bit strange. I’m very sensitive to color, and just looking at two side-by-side works for me. I think the Apple Macs come out PERFECTLY calibrated, and PCs are kind of all over the place.

  • Hehe thanks so much @jploinsigh:disqus – you know that “legalese” also made even more Apple people angry! I’m like, look Apple-people, if you can read through that EULA every 10 days you have to click through, surely you can read through mine and understand it.

  • But less memory gives marginally longer battery life. This was the official reason Apple gave for the low max memory. So done for purely marketing reasons. Being able to work faster just isn’t as sexy as being able to work faster.

  • Not laptops. 😉

  • MrBW

    the most obvious hurdle is money, while Trey’s move is sponsored, the typical user will need to save up for that huge expense!

  • Anne Forbes

    Why does this chap think his Big Switch from one platform to another is of any interest to anyone except himself? It’s hardly world shattering! Not worth so many words. He must have known the specs of the Apple computer before he purchased it.

  • Paul Lindstrom

    Hmmm, I think you over rate the Mac monitors (mostly LG panels, as far as I gather). If you buy a NEC or Eizo high end monitor they work equally fine on Mac an PC, but you need to check that the default setting (I wouldn’t call it factory calibration, rather the default state out of the box) is what you want. It’s only by using a colorimeter or spectrophotometer you can make sure you work according to a defined standard, be it sRGB or rather Adobe RGB (sRGB is a quite small colour space, not suitable for high end professional imaging). And of course you can test how good your colour discrimination capacity really is by taking for example the FM100 test (Farnsworth-Munsell test of originally 100 coloured samples with very small colour differences).

    I just worry that photographers makes adjustments to their precious images that may do more harm than good, if the monitor doesn’t show the true colours. I urge you to try out a high end NEC and/or Eizo monitor, calibrated to Adobe RGB proper, and compare to a “standard” Mac or PC monitor. I’m pretty sure you will be surprised with the difference it makes. I think it’s an investment well worth to do.

    BTW I will be on look out for planned photo walks in England, and try and join one of them in the Spring or Summer, if and when they happen.

  • WPKing

    Well considering I ran a network of mostly Windows PC’s and Servers for 10 years I can tell you that you are lying. Or you guys didn’t use any techniques to protect your systems from idiots surfing the web. Maybe too much porn and not enough AV or up to date systems? Who knows, but the systems I managed ran each and every day, even the ones in the warehouses with 2 inches of dust collected inside of them. All mostly HP systems so I’m not sure if that matters much but they were sure some reliable systems from our perspective.

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  • BadBrainzPhotoz

    True, however I started with Windows 3.0 when it was released in 1990, when it was new and the alternative was barefoot DOS or Apple. Been through 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, NT, 95, 8, 8.1, and 10. Have also been through the Apple OS since Maverick. Rarely do things happen in a vacuum and MS has been focusing their ads for the last 6 months on “graphics pros” saying how great the Surface is. It isn’t too much of a jump to imagine MS decided getting a graphics pro that was very well known to endorse their product would be impactful to their marketing strategy and offering a bunch of new equipment to a studio is one way to buy your way into someone’s heart.
    I currently use a Mac for video and image editing and travel with an MS laptop. I cannot honestly say either is ideal and am currently trying to convert both machines to Linux as neither MS or Apple seem to make an OS for me. I wonder what MacPhun and Trey’s relationship will do, since Aurora carries Trey’s endorsement, and currently won’t run on Windows.

  • Stu – SIC

    Because it’s mostly a guide/tips on how others can make the switch and what sort of experience/issues they might have.

  • Stu – SIC

    In a way, yes. However if your current system is strugging and you need to upgrade you’ve likely already decided on a budget so shouldn’t be scared of going with the Windows option which will offer a better price/performance ratio without going as extreme as Trey.

  • Stu – SIC

    I was watching a show the other day on the BBC where they were with one of the Star Wars Rogue One effects team. Not sure what they were using for editing but their workstation for working with the effects was running Windows…

  • Pål Kristiansen

    A few comments.

    I don’t think you should recommend a high-end computer these days without a m2 PCIe/NVMe SSDs. Raiding normal small SSDs just sounds wired to me (sales pitch for leftover stock?). 256gb primary drive is also on the smaller side for fitting both Windows, applications (CC is huge) and temporary images for editing.

    If you take the Samsung 960 EVO line as an NVMe example, the 500gb modell has a crazy 3200/1800MB/s r/w speed and size wise will be more sensible to a power user (they go all the way up to 2tb if you need more). The speed difference from a normal SSDs is clearly noticeable especially when stitching panos (around 6 times the read and 3-4times the write).

    For pure cloud storage its hard to beat amazons unlimited storage offer and it integrates well with Synology NAS.
    Google drive have a price model with no steps between 1tb and 10tb, making it totaly miss most of the market for power users.
    Microsofts Onedrive and Dropbox has a 1tb cap (yes, you sometimes get a 200gb coupon with a smartphone or a surface but it don’t scale).
    If 1tb is enough, and you need a more of a collaboration tool then i would say Onedrive beats Dropbox.

    Also Microsoft have a Mac to PC tool that they just pulled. Guessing it will be back soon: http://www.techradar.com/news/microsofts-new-tool-means-its-never-been-easier-to-switch-from-mac-to-surface

  • These are excellent points – thank you ! 🙂

  • You can get a PC for cheaper than a Mac that is faster – you don’t have to get one as expensive as I did.

  • Joseph

    I never said you were paid. I don’t believe you were paid. I believe you were given the Pixel for free. Android has a great ecosystem, but their app ecosystem isn’t even close to Apple’s.

    I just didn’t like the tone you took. It wasn’t, “After some time and thinking, I’ve decided to make switch to Android because I believe it will help my workflow.” Instead you called iPhone users “soccer moms” and claimed that they have a “closed ecosystem” which was an argument from 2010. It seems lazy.

    You still never said what about their system is closed and how it was holding you back.

  • Brian Dunkel

    Looks like Apple listened to you Trey… They shed some light on their plans for the Pro who has higher demands from their machines. Check out the article: https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/04/apple-upgrades-mac-pros-signals-radical-new-modular-mac-pros-next-year-with-apple-displays/

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  • JimH

    His blog post reads like a paid advertisement for Windows. If it is not that then he is suffering from the high that occurs when you convince yourself to purchase something that requires changing a lot of other things to make it work while at the same time justifying it all. Everyone has different uses and workflows for what they do so good luck with the change and report back in a year.

  • M_Hawke

    Were you interested? Did you read the article? OK.

  • Andacar

    All I can say is that it’s about time. But that isn’t until at least next year. Modular computer design isn’t “radical,” and a lot can happen in that time. I wish Apple well, but I think they are having problems with the Pro for the same reason they had problems with an Apple server. They can’t hide in the Apple world with computers like those, and have to directly compete with the big guns feature for feature and dollar for dollar. We’ll see.

  • Andacar

    I genuinely don’t understand that. Well, actually, that’s not true: I do. It’s called planned obsolescence. The reason I’ve stuck it out with big desktop cases is that they are extremely upgradable. I just upgraded mine from 32 to 64 Gig of RAM. It used standard DDR4 units and the whole process took about two minutes. It cost about $190.00.

  • Andacar

    I hear what you’re saying, Fadil, and to an extent you’re right. Stability is a huge issue, and I’m a battle scarred veteran of trying to get computers with Windows XP to behave. But Windows 10 has been the most stable and useful Windows I’ve used, and I’ve been using it at least as long as you have.

    Also, at some point performance really does matter, especially for the kind of work I do. Among other things, I use Autodesk Maya to render out 3D images. My previous machine had an i7 920 with 12 GB of RAM, and it could take as long as two weeks to crank out an image sequence. My new machine has an i7 5820 with 64 GB of RAM, and the rendering time has been cut at least in half. I’ve had similar results when processing huge HDR images or stitching them together.

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  • Eden Brackstone

    Read my previous comment on this… same tone, more direct. Well said, though.

  • H K

    That’s why i am switching after many years… I’ve installed a 512GB SSD and 16 GBs of ram to MBP (2011) by myself for a friction of what Apple Service was asking me. Now having similar ram & storage for a new laptop costs over 2400 usd. I am sorry to leave OS X, but i am not sorry to leave Apple. Probably I’ll rage about Win10 soon, but at least I have an upgradable machine. Well, indeed linux have some great RAW editing apps now, why not 😀

  • H K

    even cheap colormunki with a relatively cheap ultrasharp (non glaring) Dell (non glaring / ultrasharp series) monitors do a great job (especially if you have printer/paper profiles). For web use, i use non calibrated Macbook / Iphone / Ipad to see how a 3rd person would perceive it. Print files looks quite dull on screens…

  • H K

    it’s better to look into workstations rather than consumer products.

  • Paul Lindstrom

    While the cheaper monitors reproduce colours fairly well, they typically are very view angle sensitive. That means the colour and/or tone value of let’s say mid grey changes a lot if you look at the monitor from a slightly different angle (try this, it’s very easy to detect!). But I agree about the X-Rite ColorMunki – it’s very cheap and do a reasonable job.

  • Consolenplatine

    “Windows 10 is getting really good, and Microsoft really seems to be innovating”

    LoL, I had to laugh 🙂

    “I need a more powerful machine that can handle a LOT”

    And? I’m working with an Intel i7 Skylake CPU + GTX 1060 6GB Graphics Card and 32 GB DDR4 Ram + Samsung SSD 512 GB + 4 K Acer Monitor under MacOS Sierra (Hackintosh, 100% stability).

    It#s a beautiful “Power Machine”. I’m working with Blender 3D, Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro X, … and they are fast as hell.

    Also Apple introduced the possibility to use external Graphic Cards (TB3) … so you can use whatever you want in the future. The hectic reaction of some guys with “Switching to PC” is… hastily.

    Switching from MacOS to Windows? Never! MacOS is the best Operation System ever, not only the simple design and workflow… especially the stability, no Virus since 12 years.

    … I’ve read a lot Blog Posts “Switching to PC” … and the most came back to MacOS very quickly, because they didn’t remember how bad Windows is in reality.

    So, this Blog Title is … ClickBait

  • Dan

    Hey @treyratcliff:disqus. Do you think you would have still made the switch if the upcoming iMac Pro were available when you decided to go Windows? (https://www.apple.com/imac-pro/)

  • Joe Crawford

    Dude I tried to switch to windows and got an error message the second day on capture one, then in lightroom, then photoshop crashed. The fact that you’re claiming you managed hundreds of pc’s without issues is not only insane, it’s impossibly false.

  • WPKing

    I sure did and all I used was a good anti-virus and rules I created with Active Directory. We never had any problems with the 50 or so applications we used across the company. We used Photoshop extensively and no real show stoppers there. And nothing is perfect so sure there was a hiccup or 2 here and there but it rarely if ever came from the Windows Servers or the controlled desktops. My uptime were deep in the 9’s. Maybe I was just good or maybe Windows was, but that was the reality when I managed a network. Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative!

  • I manage hundreds of PC for dozens of companies. They have no more (and no less) issues than Macs. It’s all what you install on them and the quality of the parts to begin with. I find it laughable when people complain that a $500 Dell loaded with bloatware was crap and they love their $2000 Mac. Well… DUH! 😉

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  • Very good to see the opinion of other people on this subject, because here in my country the thoughts go vague

  • Alan Monie

    I am so glad you posted this I am going through this same dilema 🙂 I have both Mac and PC and would love to only use one platform but Mac is so expensive … and my iMac is too old to support aurora 🙁 I see a path in my future 🙂 Now I won’t feel so bad about putting Aurora on my PC … Thanks Trey.

  • carmen merrill

    What did you have to do so your Photoshop files and fonts could be successfully worked on the pc from the mac? We are hoping to make the same move, but have Creative Suite primarily using Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign. We have a ton of graphic files. How do we transition them from mac to pc? Thank you for writing this!!!

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