HDR DVD
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HDR Workshop DVD
Basic Package – $197
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This Basic Package Includes
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HDR Workshop DVD
Premium Package – $397
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This Premium Package Includes
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| SOLD OUT in 24 Hours! | $1,415 – HDR Workshop – London | A private (under 20) workshop in London |
| SOLD OUT in 24 Hours! | $999 – HDR Workshop – Austin | A private (under 20) workshop in Austin |
Testimonials
“Viewing Trey’s HDR DVD series is like finding a mad scientist’s book of secret formulas. His screencasts immediately dispel the barriers and hurdles of achieving stunning HDR images. This series is worth every penny.” – Brian Matiash
I recently finished the Premium DVD package and personally found it very helpful and informative. I picked up many useful tips and tricks throughout that I’m positive will make my HDR photos much much better. Worth every penny in my opinion. Thank you Trey for all of the work put into teaching me about your workflow and how you edit a picture. I’ll be putting all of it to good use in the near future! – Caleb Kadrmas
And a little video testimonial – thanks to the team for putting this together!
Promo Video with Sample
Just a quick sample (excuse the YouTube low-quality) of the sort of stuff on the DVD. It shows segments from one of the 13 detailed tutorials.
Photos of the DVD Set
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The DVD Table of Contents
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The Back Cover
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The Private Stuck In Customs Clubhouse
What is The Clubhouse? It’s a wonderful secret place here on StuckInCustoms.com that is filled with intriguing discussions, photos, tools, techniques, and more.
Bonus Video in The Clubhouse
I took the liberty of making a brand new Screencast where I am using Photomatix 4 and Adobe Photoshop CS5 to render one of my latest creations. I recorded the entire flow and talked over it, just like on the DVD. Once you are in the Clubhouse, feel free to grab it and enjoy!
What Happens in The Clubhouse
Like anything you will get out of it what you put into it. Only people that attend my workshops, buy the DVD, or have passed certain training are allowed inside. This keeps everything at a nice level of discussion.
What we do inside:
- Get sneak previews of the latest software
- We discuss some of the latest techniques
- Share our best photos that are open for peer critique
- Talk about problems and questions
- Tell stories, share, and have fun!
Special Thanks
I really wanted to send out a very big thank you to John P at OneMansBlog.com and Scott Kublin from ScottyCentral.com — both of whom did a lot to make this possible. I owe them big time! 
By purchasing, customers agree to the Terms & Conditions.
HDR Photography
Are you new to HDR Photography and want to see some sample photos that I processed using these methods? I have places a few below. Enjoy!
[...] will have an HDR DVD of the Workshop. I think it’s gonna be really good. To stay on top of that and see when it is [...]
Since I can’t be there, I guess this will have to be the next best thing!!
Please include me in the list for the DVD.
I can’t wait to see the DVD. I’m so bummed that I am not able to participate in the workshop.
If you at anytime visit Scandinavia, we should set up a workshop here in Copenhagen or Stockholm.
Unfurtunately I live in México and it is imposible to assis to an amaizing workshop, I will be happy to get the DVD to study in order to take my knowledge to another level. Thank you in advance. Your friend José.
Sign me up…I want one of the first copies. I learned a ton from the textures tutorial…I am sure this will be as good if not better.
Looking forward to the dvd and meeting you in NYC for the book signing on Dec. 14.
very excited about the dvd project!
Please include me in the list for the DVD.
[...] yes, we are making an HDR DVD of the workshop for those that could not attend the [...]
I look forward to hearing more about the details that will be covered in your HDR DVD.
Just bought your book, only released here in Ireland yesterday. Would realy love to see your workshop DVD. Will it be available in Ireland?
[...] sure, you should get ready for the HDR DVD to come out. It’s being worked on currently. It will be ready when it’s ready, but you [...]
Will it be include closed captioning?
Thanks all – we will have it be available as far and wide as possible. I don’t think it will have Closed Captioning, I’m afraid.
Trey at your work shop on Sun. in Tampa you showed me how to use my d700 for shooting HDR by not using the shutter button. Can you email me how to do this…
Sure – Menu – Interval Timer Shooting – Start Now – 1′ 00″ – 001×5 – start now
I am definitely looking forward to the DVD. That said, and I’m guessing I’m not the only one by a long shot, to have the chance to attend the workshop/conference in the future. A DVD is a great record and tool, but nothing can replace the effectiveness of being on-site and devoting a couple days of attention to HDR, meeting HDR enthusiasts/artists/photographers. Or perhaps there already is such an event? Oh, and all of this said, I realize that there’s simply only so much time in the day. I’ll stay better-tuned for the next workshop!
keep up the good work, and hopefully keep having fun with it!
Trey,
Was just wondering if the DVD will have any technical how to instruction for people who are relatively new to HDR, such as Photomatrix settings or tricks to use in Photoshop?
Any updates on its release?
Michael – yes indeed – I go through at least 6 different photos – show all my Photomatix settings, and do the cleanup in Photoshop. All the screencaps should be very informative I hope!
Please put me on the list for a copy of your DVD when available.
Thanks Wayne
Sounds Great! Can’t Wait!
Hey Trey – can you provide us with an update as to when you are expecting the DVD Video to be released?
thanks
The team is working on it as hard as they can – I am anxious to get it out too!
Trey, are planning another workshop this year?
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Thought I’d stop in to check on the progress of your HDR DVD… What’s the latest???
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Hi Trey, i was wondering if the dvd will discuss layering techniques? Thats the only thing i haven’t really grasped yet.
Regards,
Chris
Everything is still in production – it is going to be so cool!
Chris – Absolutely – I go all through layering to the nth degree !
Holding my breath!
[...] also see this on the upcoming HDR DVD. One night after an outing, I came back to process some brand new photos, and they all got to see [...]
[...] know there is rampant demand for the HDR DVD, and I wanted to give you an update. The production is about to come to a close, and we can get it [...]
Trey, Instead of the DVD, why not consider putting the HDR workshop into an eBook? Seems a bit backwards to be sending out a DVD and to worry about handling shipping, packaging etc. A digital offering makes much more sense to me.
Totally Agree with Ed, perhaps a HD download in itunes if piracy is a concern.
dvd is so much hassle, the first thing i will do is rip it and throw the disc in the bin
Trey, Since Photoshop is overkill for me and Lightroom is just about perfect (except I wish I could do some simple things with layers), do you think that you can give some alternate cleanup tips for Lightroom users as well?
Yes please!
anybody know when this dvd is coming out??? i am so excited to view and practices Trey’s tools
I think a DVD is a wise choice…Ill def. keep mine around incase something happens to my computer or I wont be able to take my computer with me…
I always like having a DVD for that “just incase” feeling
I do with you could update us with at least a release date and a price range so I will know what date to look forward to…and start saving my money
[...] of ghosting from the car movement. HDR DVD getting closer! I know there is rampant demand for the HDR DVD, and I wanted to give you an update. The production is about to come to a close, and we can get it [...]
trey, you are killing us with the delay in getting the dvd out to the public. any idea when it is being released? you page has said the same information about the dvd for months
I know I know… hehe… it’s killing me too… I saw a leaked shot of the DVD cover out there on Twitter somewhere… !
Very interested and hve been experimenting with it in very long night exposures…. This is inspiring to me after 20 plus years had left me Dull… Please keep me informed about the DVD’s.
Thank you, Brian Eddy
Please add my name to the HDR DVD list! How about a trip to San Diego, and perhaps a workshop there?
Two weeks ago when you were on Leo Laportes show did you say the HDR DVD was coming out that week ? What happened ?
Hehe…. well the DVD is ready. A few testers have it. We are still taking the feedback into the final product… minor changes like moving one of the tutorials from one DVD to another (disc 1 to disc 3)… etc etc… little logistical things like new labels and the like… much too boring for me to even mention!
[...] the rumors are true. Several dozen copies of the HDR DVD are out in the wild. I confirm that these are out there… we have given out a few as [...]
The DVD is exciting. I want one!!
I’d love an HDR DVD. Not only for the joyful experience of discovering our gorgeous world, but also the visual cornucopia is food for my design work as I try to best serve my clientes! Please include me on your DVD list. Thanks!
you guys ego is getting a bit hard to deal with – step back and lower your prices – remember were not rich and famous like you wish you were
You can buy DVDs from major Hollywood studios that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce for twenty or thirty bucks a pop. Your DVD is MUCH too expensive. You could sell the DVDs for $100 or less and still make a decent profit. I agree with Joeblow. Your website is now more a money-making machine. Shame. You used to be good. I wish you put as much effort into being creative as you do into your money-making schemes. The result is that it seems your pics are getting rather “samey” – you produced your best stuff a year or two ago; your more recent pics (with some exceptions) leave me cold. Sorry to say this Trey, but I used to be a big admirer.
Just purchased the premium edition. Can’t wait to get it!
COOL! I have been awaiting this DVD for years! Oh wait! The DVD costs more than I make in two months (college student)! And a clubhouse for people who can only buy their way in?! Sounds more exclusive than the playboy mansion!
I was looking forward to the DVD as i am interested in your workflow and all the other things as well. I wanted to actually SEE it and not only READ it. I wasn´t expecting a low-budget DVD, of course not, but 200$…sorry…it´s “just” 197$ for something of that i don´t know if it helps me??? Come on Trey. Not to mention the premium package for 397$!!! Your second ebook was a bit disappointing, as it contains nothing new to me. There were 10 common mistakes presented and maybe 2 sentences how to maybe fix them. But you didn´t fixed the mistakes in the presented photos, but in totally others and newer ones and just says “here you go, this is how it should look like”. If the DVD is similar to your second ebook, it is much too expensive! When i first read about a DVD i thought of 99$. But now it´s twice as much. No Trey…great pictures and great stories and it is fun to read your stuff, but not for that money.
I respect that you are not filtering out the last few comments about price …
I was really looking forward to your DVD set, and still would love to see it …. but at $200 for the minimum set it’s way outside my budget (and I think over priced) I hope it’s a success for you but I think it would be a greater success if it was half the price …. $99 for the basic set … I’d slap the money on the table right now.
Hi Trey
It wont let me enter a postal code for Australia and hence i cant buy it, comes up with an error
Can you please ensure that i get a first batchm, the premimum edition.
Cheers
Yes!! The DVD is finally out! Just ordered my premium copy. Can not wait for it to arrive! Thanks Trey!
Thanks all –
$199 for over 5 hours on 3 DVDs is cheaper than a Community College class (and more valuable!).
But in the meantime, we’ll continue to provide free tutorials, tips, and tricks here on the main site. We pay well over $10,000 a year in bandwidth and hosting to provide that to you for free – and I hope you continue using that. Thanks again for the feedback.
Oh and I totally think that the prices are fair. Everybody needs to stop complaining. It’s a DVD full of quality instruction. You get what you pay for, and at that price you can expect to get a lot out of it.
Hey Trey, who designed the TABLE OF CONTENTS screen here? It looks like a Smashing Magazine thing. It looks GREAT! Real cool!
Congrats on the DVD Trey – know it’s worth the price!! And cheaper than flying to a workshop!
I am intrigued, but I have to agree with a few of the posts that $200 is a bit more than I expected. I was thinking roughly $100 was going to be the price. Of course, its up to you how to price your product and how it sells will determine whether its priced accordingly. May still buy it, but definitely went from an obvious impulse buy to. . . .hmmm $200? Maybe. Best of luck with the product and I’ll be a daily site visitor regardless!
@Caleb: “You get what you pay for”…how do you know that? How do i know that? The second ebook wasn´t worth any money in my opinion. Ok, now it comes with an upgrade, thanks for that. Now it IS worth the 10$. But not everyone can afford one DVD (ok, it´s three) for the price of 197$. And ok, Community College Class MAY be more expensive. But it is something different to sit alone at home and watch a DVD or to interact with real persons, don´t you think?
@Trey: I think that the DVD is worth some money. But for me personally it´s too expensive. Keep up the good work with everything!
I came across you site months ago and immediately went out and bought your book ‘A World in HDR’ thinking it was instructional. I enjoyed the thought process behind your pictures but was very disappointed with the last chapter of ‘how to’. When I read about the DVD I was thinking finally some ‘in application mouse clicks’ and ‘oh that is so cool’ but there isn’t one courtesy lesson to preview and frankly it makes for a tough $200 purchase decision not knowing exactly what you get. I was thinking the promo clip would show a glimps of an application session but nothing of the sort. All this app review you do which is great but you end up with folks wanting to know how you used these tools to create what you post online. This is a tough call. Best wishes
Trey,
I was wondering if I can change my shipping address. I got really excited that I had got a copy of the dvd that I forgot to change my address from Utah to California. Any help with this would be awesome!!
I will be selling mine after i watch if i have any takers at half the price
Thanks for the comments – I think it is funny when people come to my defense! hehe… great!
Yes glad you like the idea that $199 for 3 full DVDs is cheaper than a community college class… plus, this is really valuable, rare stuff.
Van – We will have a NEW promo video that shows some of the screencasts too. This is just something we have not had time to do yet…
Matthew – sure – no problem – the guys at support@StuckinCustoms.com can take care of you !
Trey,
I must admit photography can be an expensive hobby. I have been following you for some time and give you the credit for inspiring me to explore HDR. If I may mention, I use elements 8 because CS4 and 5 are expensive. I have a rebel T1I because I saved up for it and the only plug in I have is topaz adjust ( because it is some what affordable). I am not a cheap person but when you have a stay at home wife and four children it is best to be prudent with your money. I say this because I think that a large portion of the people that follow you are in the same situation. The economic times are not easy and most of us are not so fortunate as to have 200 in spending without saving for a couple of months. I just have will have to wait when it comes out on ebay. Good things come to those who wait
Best regards
So what if the DVDs are cheaper than a community college class. There are all sorts of things that cost more than $199. (If you should come to live in NZ you will find that community college classes are a lot cheaper.)
But that is not the point. It’s a set of DVDs and as we all know, they cost little to duplicate. Whereas a college has to provide a lot more things, buildings, equipment, people, etc. So I think the argument is somewhat specious (superficially plausible, but actually wrong).
As for being valuable, I don’t know. I guess I never will. But rare? C’mon.. Maybe they are rare now but I guess you are hoping that they will become quite common, right?
Or do you mean they are not well cooked?
One last thing; the image you have on the cover is one of my favorites of yours. I liked it so much that I reprocessed it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beautox/4883997827/
Of course you may prefer the original..
Way too expensive. Shows that this is just a profit making exercise. Sorry Trey, but I’m off to other sources.
Congrats on the release Trey!! but I think I’ll wait for them to start popping up on eBay at those prices lol.
I was so excited to hear about the dvd coming out…then I saw the price. Definitely waiting for a discount to come around on it or it to show up on eBay. Unfortunately WAY to expensive as is.
Could you enlighten me as to which version goes over the photoshop masking. I just pushed the Nik Ulimate and used Viveza 2 to minimize the HDR Halo effect. Earlier you indicated in your most common HDR mistakes you utilized the masking within photoshop to reduce any halo effect. I am also looking at smugmug to sell prints. Thanks.
Sorry I looked too quickly. Disk 3 has the tutorial for removing the halo effect. Am I correct in that the major difference between the two packages is that you have sample photos on Disk 4 that can be used in the first package to work along with the tutorials? Have you given any consideration to permitting one to upgrade to the full package after they only purchased the 1st 3 dvds.
Uhm… why is the video tutorial sample above showing as a “private video” that I can’t watch without a request?
JayM – That was a mistake with a checkbox on YouTube — all is fixed now – thanks!
Eugene – Each and every tutorial goes through masking I believe.. not just one of them. So you should be in good shape!
Just purchased. Thanks
It seems like the photos in the the premium version would be really beneficial in learning and following along. However, there is the price difference.
Which version are you all buying?
Ive been reading and seeing that a lot of people are upset about the price…
I want to be a professional and HDR is something ive been doing for a year and still am having trouble with…
Ive invested over 100$ in books alone to help me with this technique…not to mention the hours learning in the field.
I plan on buying the 400$ package and hope that I will get my moneys worth…
I think we should all go complain at our local Ferrari dealerships next for charging too much for such a fine fine and amazing automobile.
Many comments I see about the price before people have bought. Fair enough. Those who have taken the plunge and bought – I would love to see some reviews / comments on how good or otherwise the DVDs are as tutorials for learning HDR.
@ Matt – Thats all well and good but even though Ferrari made 2 billion in 2008 they only made 17.6% profits.
Trey on the other hand the genious that he is will be making a packet! lets take the premium package for example at 400 dollars for 4 DVD’s (which cost about 5$) is a profit of about 3350% lol
DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT THOUGH MY MATHS IS CRAP LAWL
at the end of the day if you have enough money thats fine, but a lot of people might struggle.
I am definitely looking forward to my copy of the DVD. I think it is worth it.
@Chris- Sure the profit margin is way off and given they are two different products, and it was said for shits and giggles…but the fact of the matter is we are paying for the talent and knowledge Trey has acquired. Its sad that we over look his skill and eye behind the finder because of price. At the end of the day those who buy it buy it, those wont dont, dont. Its a “is what it is” situation.
I just ordered up the premium DVD’s. It’s a big purchase for me, but Trey has shown himself to be the master of this technique. And once the photo has been shot, it’s ALL about technique. So being able to learn HDR techniques from Trey is like being able to learn cooking techniques from Julia Child. And with that in mind, the price is a bargain.
Thanks Trey for making these DVD’s available to us. The skills you’ve taught yourself have made your services in demand, as evidenced by how fast your workshops sell out. Kudo’s to you for all the effort you put into your website, your workshops, and your training materials. Your passion shows in everything you do, and I’m happy that you’re making a living by following your passion. It’s how life should be! You’ve inspired me to work harder, and strive to do my best. I’m very grateful and glad to have found you!
Thanks so much……….. Howard
Trey,
Just dropped coin for the premium package- and I could not be more excited! I have been looking forward to watching you process HDR’s for a very, very long time!!
Your pictures are both awe-inspiring and deflating. I say deflating because just when I think I have gained some ground in the HDR processing, a new photo of yours comes up where I feel like I am not worthy! Like some sort of HDR-simpleton or HDR-Peon. Lol.
Now I can see your HDR dominance in sweet real-time video-It is going to be a sight to behold!
-I am hoping you will also address issues of white balance and color saturation. I always feel like its a guess game for me without a set of boundaries or best practices……..
Thanks for everything Trey! You rock my face off!
-Matt Santomarco
Here’s my 2 cents on the whole matter…For all the people upset about the price and Trey selling out..Let’s remember all the Free things he has given to us (tutorials, videos, hdrspotting,etc)…Let’s be honest with ourselves–if we were in his position and possessed the knowledge and know-how about HDR–we would be trying to profit off of it also…He has a family to support and kids to put through college…If he is a millionaire, he sure does not act like a typical one..I have met him a couple of times and he is just a normal guy that gets super stoked to teach and show off HDR…
I think we have just been spoiled by Trey with his creative common license, free tutorials, and his generosity…Thank you Trey..
-sam
Congrats Trey on the new DVD release, unfortunately this is out of my budget. You showed me the ropes and I’ll stay for free tutorials and tips, but already I’m a graphic designer and know the ropes of photoshop to help my images. I usually go on trial and error and pick-up what works. Thanks Trey and again, CONGRATS!
[...] sure, you should get ready for the HDR DVD to come out. It’s being worked on currently. It will be ready when it’s ready, but you [...]
Canon and Nikon make a lot of money by convincing people that if they buy their cameras they will be able to take pictures like great photographers who use the same sort of gear.
This is of course not true.
And in the same way, anyone who thinks that they can learn to make pictures like Trey’s by watching his DVDs will be disappointed. Sure, you can learn the techniques, but it’s (a) the original photo and (b) the APPLICATION of the techniques that make the picture.
Just the same as learning the moves and openings of chess will not make you a good player, even if taught by a grandmaster.
My personal view of Trey’s pricing is that he would in fact make a lot more money by charging less. If he cut his prices in half he would likely sell much more than twice the amount. But perhaps that’s what he intends to do, after he’s extracted maximum coin from the eager first adopters.
@Dennis Franke. Chill man. If you don’t have the money for the DVD’s, don’t buy them. Save up for a few months if you reconsider and decide that it’s a good deal. If you don’t, I’m sure you’ll live.
Funny reading the ‘if you can’t afford it yada yada yada’ postings in response to folks who have a valid reason for asking ‘why pay $200?’. People are simply wondering if $200 is going to make a picture ‘they took’ that much more valuable following the DVD instruction. Get it? In other words, the pictures posted here in HDR can stand by themselves without the HDR technique. The HDR is simply icing on already brilliantly composed photos posted here each and every day.
Hi Trey
Tried to order DVD, but told it will not take a credit card for this transaction. Is there a customer service contact?
Thanks, Steve
What a fuss!
Trey is the HDR master. Thousands, probably millions, enjoy his photos and benefit from his incredible generosity in sharing his talent, tips and enthusiasm, mostly for free. (I can think of many photographers who, if they were in possession of the secret sauce recipe, would guard it jealously.)
Of course these DVDs won’t be as good as physically being in the workshop, but they look pretty comprehensive, they’re cheaper than the workshop (the cost of which no one complained about) and they are accessible to all of us living in far-flung places like Australia who cannot attend the workshops.
Photographers spend thousands of dollars on equipment, books, travel – it seems absurd that such a fuss is being made over $200 ‘value’. And people are even begrudging of Trey’s effort to make a living from his talent.
This is a masterclass from the best. If you don’t think the cost represents value, don’t buy it. If you would prefer further evidence that it is worth the outlay, then wait for user reviews before taking the plunge. If you’ve been dying for this window into an education session that has hitherto only been experienced by a handful of people, your opportunity has arrived.
Just because Trey shares so much for free doesn’t give you the right barter. Vote with your hip pocket. Money is tight for me, but I know this will be worth it.
I have a feeling that those who are complaining about the $200 price suggesting that $100 would be fine, would also suggest $50 would be the best price if it was set at $100.
Listen folks – knowledge is money. Those who have knowledge can and should receive good money for providing it, and those who require knowledge will likely spend good money looking for it.
If you can, compare $200 to the price of a new camera. $200 is far less than the cost of new lens. It’s the price of two high quality ND filters. Knowledge is a tool – just like a camera, a lens, a filter, etc. It’s funny that people will shell out good coin for the latest camera thinking that that purchase will provide them with better photos, but won’t even think about sinking some money into knowledge – which is actually the best way to improve one’s photography.
One should expect to pay for good knowledge. I’ve been making my living from photography for over 20 years and invest a good amount of money and time each year in furthering my knowledge. For me, if I pick up just one tip from these DVD’s that allow me to do something different or better, than the $200 was an incredible investment and will easily and quickly pay for itself and then some.
For those who do not make their living from photography, consider throwing some coin at knowledge instead of that new camera or fancy lens. Chances are that investing in knowledge will improve your photography and hobby much more than purchasing more gear.
PDR and MattS… Bravo! I don’t think it could have been said better. I applaud you.
I’ve read all of the above posts with interest, and tend to agree with what PDR & MattS wrote. While I, too, would love to pay $100 or less for this product, I see this as a bargain when compared to the cost of the live seminars. What Trey has put out for free in his HDR tutorial is plenty for the majority of HDR-curious. For those, like me, looking for new tips or “secrets” to incorporate into their HDR photography,or even to spur further experimentation in procession technique, this might be useful, though I don’t know for sure until I receive the Premium version I ordered yesterday. I do plan, once I’ve had a chance to go through the DVDs, to post a review on my site for those who feel like waiting that long.
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“knowledge is money” – Sorry Matt, no it’s not. It’s not even close.
I’m just gunna save up a little at a time then wait for the reviews to start coming in before making a decision. Trey opened the HDR door to me and he’s my biggest influence. However I was the one that had to walk through that door. Sure my HDR’s suck ass but I teach myself and learn through experience just like Trey did.
Hi Trey,
Love your work and I want to buy the DVD set but a quick question first. What region are the discs and will they be mailed out to Australia?
Thanks Mate
Talk about sticker shock…..and disappointment. Trey, I love your work and am so happy that you do release so much free content…but, IMHO many of the people here are amateurs (like me) and $200/400 is a lot of money. $400 is more than I spent on my used D70, $200 is more than I spent on my only lens. Other people do exist than professionals who make money. Others do enjoy learning and refining, even if they don’t make money off the results.
It’s truly a pity that these prices have put them so out of sight for many people, though I’m sure your sales are good anyway.
I would rather save my money and buy a used lens than a DVD, sorry, it’s nowhere near what I would think is reasonable to pay.
I feel the price helps determine who is serious about this kind of photography and who just wants to learn a new trick to a digital image.
Im glad a lot of people arent buying it…No offense Trey
Its good to see not EVERYONE will be doing HDR
The comparison that $199 is cheaper than a community college class isn’t really valid. If I signed up for a college class and then just sat in a room watching DVDs, I’d be quite disappointed. I would gladly pay this kind of money to sit in a classroom listening and interacting with you, Trey. But not to watch an (admittedly enhanced) recording of that experience. At $25/month, I think Scott Kelby’s on-line video classes are expensive, but I’ve been paying for them for many months and will continue to do so. Both your eBooks and these DVDs are priced way to high, IMHO. I expect you’ll see a much larger than usual used market. I may get together with others to buy and share them. As to what price is right? I’d say that the eBooks are about 2x too expensive. The DVDs should be $199 for the Premium Package. And I’d drop the Basic Package. I think the latter is a bit insulting, actually. Anyone who wants to delve deeply into HDR wants the very best info s/he can find. What’s the point of saying, “I’ll let you into my private club and tell you the *real* secrets, but you have to pay more.”? I do think you should charge for your training, but these over-the-top prices just aren’t in keeping with the gracious image you’ve established for yourself.
Wow those prices for the DVDs are way too hot. I was expecting between $20 – $50 at the most, but $197 and $397 is really steep. Add a little more and I can get a quality Nikon 50mm lens. Sorry but unless these prices actually become much more reasonable then I’ll have to pass. Wish I really could have afforded to see them.
Sigh..I hoped it would have been more reasonable. I will just have to put it somewhere on the list of stuff to get eventually. For now it will have to sit behind ink carts, paper, and Photoshop World. Maybe after I sell a few more HDR prints I can justify the ROI (Return On Investment). As a hobby, it is hard to justify the expense most of the time.
Why did I have to get into the “money pit” that is photography?
I seriously think that the prices of different services you provide are extremely high. They are even astronomical. Personally paying $200 for a DVD set and $1000 for a workshop is not worth the service you are providing. I am sorry but I think you replaced you eyeballs with dollars.
Consider this, the workshop is more expensive than any scientific conference in this earth, check the registration fees for Gordon Research Conferences which are known to be one of the best conferences on very specialized topics. During these conferences, participants learn about things that nobody in the earth has an easy access and qualification to understand. Their prices which generally range between $1000 and $2000 include the conference fees + accomodation and + food. And you telling me that your workshop costs as much as those conferences? 1000 dollars to learn how to use a software? no way.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite so much disappointment voiced about pricing before. There was a comment made earlier about how no one complained about the price of the workshops. Well, I didn’t complain as I thought I’d just pick up the DVD. That said, bumping the price up to $1,495 in order to limit the crowd to 20 struck me as extreme. I’m a newcomer to HDR and absolutely love Trey’s work and think he’s extraordinarily generous with time and resources. That said I am finding his price points very painful. Photography can be an extraordinarily expensive hobby and I really struggle with justifying the spend given it’s not going to make me any money as an amateur. As someone who is fairly well versed in internet marketing I’d just like to say that Trey does a phenomenal job of selling and I have no issue with that. Trey you deserve to get rich, you’re a great guy and your work is solid. IMO though the price point is way too high on this. I don’t know if your intention is just to sell to the wealthy or professionals but as someone above said you might want to look at lowering the price in order to increase volume. I disagree that those complaining and suggesting $100 would have complained anyway. I suspect we all had a price point in mind and for some of us at least you seemed to have jumped right over it. It’s weird to have this conversation going on in the public domain but it’s also very good that people are speaking up, as I said, I’ve rarely seen anything like it. No disrespect intended, I love your work and wish you much success.
furthermore, I completely understand that some of the people commenting above find this kind “information” worth the proposed money. That’s just fine with me, didn’t want to state anything objective…
Thanks all for the comments.
Sales are very good! Hundreds right away! Thanks everyone.
For those of you that think it is too expensive, I’m sure you understand the price will drop over time and we will have discounts, etc etc. In the meantime, we have the free tutorials here on the website, and tons of tips, tricks, and free how-to videos. We pay over $10,000 a year in bandwidth and hosting to provide this stuff for you, fresh and new every day. You all can continue to enjoy that for free, and we hope you do.
just had a few moments with my self and thought that I would like to apologize here if my previous message was a too aggressive. It is unfortunately sometimes just too easy to write whatever it comes to one’s mouth well hidden behind the screen. (Well…, Still I think it is expensive, and admittedly it is the market that decides on its price, full stop… nobody can say anything about it. There are many more expensive garbage out there to buy and what you are selling is definitely NOT a garbage. all the best…
Trey, just ordered the premium package and looking forward to it. Any idea on shipping / timing of delivery? I have a trip to India late next week and this will be perfect for the 19 hours of flying!!! Great work.
The price is a bit of a sticker shock – but I’m going to be blunt guys, this wasn’t exactly hammered out by Trey sitting with his feet up on a desk in the wee hours of the morning. It was made by professionals, and it’s a niche product with a very narrow audience, not a Hollywood blockbuster they can afford to sell en masse at $20-30 a pop.
That said, I think a lower price point would help take the sting off, but I’ve seen less valuable learning resources sold for more. I’ll reserve judgment of course for when I’m holding the product in hand, but you have to admit the level of detail on display of his processing is pretty serious – this is much more than a free self-learning tutorial, and looks like an awesome learning resource.
And Beautox – it’s good to have a critical voice on hand to provide another perspective, but you do sound a bit like Indy Rock Pete of Diesel Sweeties.
Great….I just ordered the dvd’s. Hope it gets shipped soon!
Hi Trey,
I’ve followed you for a long time, bought your “A World in HDR” book and loved it. Thanks for all you have done for HDR photography, I love it and am inspired by your images. I’ve anxiously awaited buying this DVD since you announced that you’d be making it. Unfortunately, being a college student, I just can’t spend $200 on this – let alone $400 for the premium package I’d love to get. And comparing its price to the cost of a community college class really sets me off.
I can and have attended what is widely considered one of the best community colleges in the country, which for an in-district resident costs $98.50 per credit hour. That makes a normal 3 credit hour class cost roughly $295. But for that $295, I’m getting a lot more than 6 hours of instruction. I’m getting closer to 48 hours of personal instruction (sometimes more, not to mention visiting the professor during office hours). That also includes submitting and grading my original work by the professor and credit towards a degree! If you take the price per hour of instruction, the cost of your DVD is nearly 6 times as much as a community college class ($6.15 vs $35.81).
I am very disappointed by the price chosen for this DVD. I can only hope that you are using a well thought-out price penetration strategy, though I’m not sure what benefit you gain from that. I wonder what the level of outcry will be like, if that is your plan, when the price finally drops to a reasonable point from those who have already purchased it.
Wont be buying the DVD’s. Theres a great new book out called Adobe Photoshop CS5 for Photographers. Its £35 and you will learn so much from it! $400 for a few DVD’s is ridiculous.
And to the guy saying its good people aren’t buying it because it means not everyones doing HDR? Sorry, everyone seems to be doing it nowdays, with or without DVD’s, the huge price tag just means that not everyone will be doing it well!
Still waiting for a Caleb response…Chill man at a stranger and those who can’t afford paints a pretty clear picture of you. Wish you the best.
Kain : I am not familiar with Indy Rock Pete, but I presume that this was a (mild) insult.
The comments I made about Trey’s work becoming samey I had come to well before the DVDs were released. I even went back and looked at Trey’s flickr pages from two years ago last night and I still think his pics were better then (on the whole). I do think he took his eye off the ball – it *is* hard to be creative and also concentrate on making books, workshops and DVDs at the same time.
I find some of the pics on HDRspotting to be more inspiring than Trey’s work nowadays. Go and scan through those for half an hour then come back to recent SIC shots and you’ll see Trey’s shots in a different light. Note : I don’t put my shots in the “really great” category..(But hey, maybe it’s good the DVDs are expensive. There are imho too many Trey-alike shots on HDR spotting already)
Now I think it’s completely up to Trey if he wants to cash in on his internet success. I know I would. But I think he would be wise to concentrate a bit more on the creative side. Internet successes come and go, and if he want to remain at the forefront of HDR creativity for the long haul then I don’t think he’ll do it by pumping out the same kind of pictures that he’s doing now.
Judging by the comments here there are still plenty of fans. (And yes, I used to be a fan. I got the book and ebooks. I met Trey on a photowalk.) But it seems that for the first time he might be losing fans.
I say this firstly because I know Trey is man enough to take criticism. And secondly because I’d like to be able to look at his pics and for them to make the hairs on my arms stand up like they used to.
Trey, you mention remixing in a solution for one your 10 hdr mistakes. I could not see that in the HDR DVD subtitles. Is this covered anywhere in the DVD or on one of your other papers?
Just received my shipping notification. Should get mine by Monday!
Price is a great filter; Starbucks coffee vs 7-Eleven. Guess the grief your getting is you started your original giving at “free” and there are now unrealistic expectations. You should get paid for your talent and skills. Each person has to determine what the value equation is to them for this content…and I have no unrealistic expectation. Trey, thanks for all you have done for “free” to date. I’m looking forward to learning lots more.
I’ve read through the comments and to tell the truth – confused, disappointed and troubled. I have enjoyed the access to the free tutorial(passed that) and to the full res pics for desktop use(which I still use) and thank you for it. I am 17 and am having to pay for my schooling and can’t spare $400, $200 and even a $100 on it, sure I don’t blame anybody for making money but the problem is that you can drive customers away by the price that is set… Honestly I was looking very much forward to the release of your DVD and the price us just a very big disappointment…. (Don’t worry you haven’t lost me as a fan yet).
Dunno, guys. I’m no fan of the price, but I’ve paid equal amounts for other instructional DVDs (Strobist lighting seminar, anyone? When it first came out?), and they’ve been game changing. Guess we’ll see on this one – I suspect it’ll be worth the money, though.
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OK people here is the deal. If you want to learn from the best you have to expect to pay the price. You can knock Trey and his team all you want but honestly I can’t afford the $200 price either. I’m not here to complain about the price of the DVD but to say I can’t believe you people would have the nerve to rip into trey about his price of his DVD. If you don’t like the price then don’t buy it and shut up!
Hey folks, if you don’t like the price just do not buy it, but think of all the time you might be spending on things that the DVDs answer. I know that $200,let alone $400 is tough for many, but this is a hobby for most and a job/career for Trey and other of his readers – so we spend what we can when we can on what we thnk we need. I have no idea what Trey’s ops and sustaining costs are but its his DVD and he is the acknowledged HDR expert by many. I suggest that if you want a comparison of training DVD costs you check out what you get for $100 at Total Training or the others and then sit amazed at what Trey is providing. Put it in perspective, this is about 40% of what you pay for a Vari-ND filter and how often is it actually used. He’s getting my 2 C-notes.
ETA of DVD’s, August 20th. Actual time of arrival… three minutes ago! Thanks Trey!
Trey,
The problem with people is that they want it ALL and they want it FREE. I believe you were correct in pricing your DVDs for hundreds of dollars. The customer is not paying for just DVD instruction but the years of work that went into you becoming who you are as an artist. Your fans need to realize that no matter how hard they try they probably will never get to your level of success. That’s ok with me.
What your new fans need to understand is that you are a business man and not the humble HDR travel photographer that we all connected with when we first got to know you. I think you are fake and you only care about yourself and all your other Yuppie condo living, Starbucks drinking, 30 something, GAP wearing, rich boy buddies. The proof is your horrid elitist creation HDR spotting. I feel bad for the poor fools that beg each other for invitation codes. I bet you love seeing them grovel and plead for attention. You have them eating out of your hands. Feels good doesn’t it? Maybe you should do the right thing and be real for once. Maybe you could start with talking to us little people on your photo walks for more than 15 seconds. Maybe getting to know us will teach you a little about what it’s like to be human.
- Former fan.
Got my premium HDR DDV set today. Going through disk 1 now. Liking what I see so far.
My HDR-DVD set also arrived today (Menlo Park, CA). Enjoyed disc 1, now moving on to disc 2.
Registered for the new Clubhouse – but am still awaiting approval/entry.
Way, way, way too expensive. I didn’t realize you needed the money that badly…….guess I’ll have to drop out of the “Trey is God” club. These techniques can be learned ourselves…..not as though Trey owns the process, just one man’s view of it. Where do we send donations for food and clothing for you?
I’ve been a big follower of Trey’s for about three years now. He’s been generous enough to share with the world his tips and techniques on HDR for free. I’ve learned a lot from his blog and continue to do so. I also enjoy looking at his work on a daily basis. I, too was looking forward to his DVD’s and I, too was disappointed at the price point and will not be purchasing it. But this does not give me reason to bash the guy. He’s been a big driving force in the art of HDR and has helped people around the world become better at it by sharing his knowledge. Do I think $200 is too expensive? For me, yes. This is America and he has the right to charge whatever he feels neccessary. It’s a free enterprise system here. Thanks Trey for all you have shared thus far and I look forward to following your art in the future!
Looking forward to buying it when it drops a little. In the meantime, I hope that those buying it right now are enjoying it. Thanks for making such products Trey!
Great value for money Trey. I will be placing my order shortly. Folks – a general comment. Trey has given more to the photographic community with is free online content and instructions. His book was great value and so are his ebooks. He can’t feed his family on give aways and he has earned the right to sell his material at the value it is worth. Which definitely is not 0$’s. For me the value of what he has provided free and at the low cost for other material makes these HDR DVD’s some of the best value around. Given his London workshop sold out in 24 hours means a lot of other people agree with me. Thank you Trey for sharing your knowledge and I hope we, your supporters and readers, keep you more than comfortable in the years to come so that you want to keep sharing and we can keep learning.
I don’t understand what all this hoopla is about. If you don’t think it’s worth it… don’t buy it. If you want something cheaper… buy an HDR book/lynda.com/kelbytraining.
Some of you just need to take a Valium. I’m ashamed of all the animosity and even personal attacks against Trey. He’s just a regular guy trying to make a living and I’m pretty sure he’s not just out to get us.
Wow, whats with the vitriolic attacks. All this over the price? Most of us have been coming to Treys’ site daily for years, using his FREE tutorial and videos to learn to become better photographers and perfect HDR imaging. I have learned how to setup and capture images w/HDR in mind, but there is alot of post processing that Trey does, 20 minutes to hours one each photo.I attended Treys’ Tampa workshop this past winter and found it chocked full of useful practical information. Despite taking notes I quickly forgot/misremembered alot of the techniques shown so elegantly over the day. I was looking forward to the DVD to review at my own pace. Sure $197 is steep, and I would have liked $97 or $69, but if it is anything like the workshop it will be well worth it. I bought the basic Texture tutorial at $99 and feel I got my moneys worth. Put it in perspective, a 2 day seminar for $1,500 (plus travel/room & board), or 6 hours w/trey going step by step through his process for under $200 (He went WAY beyond basic Photomatix at the workshop). I also frequent the Scott Bournes Photofocus site, TWIP and David Hobbys’ Strobist (bought Strobist DVD for $139, and it changed the way I think of flash). Stop the snide takedowns of Treys motives!!! If it is to pricey for you, DON’T buy it or wait for a resale.
Im afraid that i have to chime in with “Beautox” and “Zar” and agree with the critics to some extent.
Big kudos though for not filtering any comments.
I have been following his blog since the start and i must admit that the quality of his work have dropped a lot the last few months in favour of quantity. They used to be top notch and inspiring Many shots posted lately gets loads of wows from his fanboys but are honestly rather bland.
Theres no such thing as a free lunch in life folks. Theres always a thought behind every action of a clever person. The free content shared here isnt anything that havent been shared previously online. Its just that Trey is a true master in marketing himself more than anything else and for that i really admire him. Get your fans to think that youre a really nice guy ”giving” away loads of free stuff and when the time is right hit the trigger. Thats exactly what hes doing, cashing in on his fame, and rightfully so while hus fanbase is huge and hot.
I own his book plus the workflow ebook and both have really dissapointed me on the learning bit. While Trey is a good photographer and a brilliant marketer his major flaw is that hes not so good in teaching it. Hes not a new Scott Kelby when it comes to teaching thats for sure.
That is the where the pricing problem comes into play with his DVD’s. Just because there are some great shots on them i seriusly doubt the actual learning value of them. And the premium package with VIP access to his holy grail is just another smart marketing trick. Hey even i fell for that with his ebook lol. Premium/bonus content my …
Everyone in the biz know well the goal behind hdrspotting. To see that the editors/contributors always pick their own and friends work as a “weekly pick” is rather sad while the hoards have to fight their way through forums to get the elusive code and entry into what they believe a new HDR haven.. Once in they soon see that its just another self promoting channel for a select few.
Mike
Thanks for the comments all.
Yes – I don’t filter out comments and let people say what they want… gross mischaracterizations I will comment on though. Mike – give me your email address (or send it to me — there is something I want to send you). So, regarding your comments on HDRSpotting – that is a silly conspiracy theory. I don’t even submit my own work there, so it’s not a vehicle for me… We name random editors and rotate them. Anyone can apply to be an editor. We will eventually let everyone into the site without an invite, but right now it is beta as we add features. I started HDR Spotting to drive more traffic to other HDR Photographers. I understand how (and why) conspiracy theories work, but that one is off the mark.
I think people will enjoy the teaching on the DVD. I’m a pretty decent teacher, I’d like to think. We had a workshop here in Austin ($1,000) – and one of the students got so much out of it they are ALSO coming to the one in London too ($1,400). It’s quite humbling, really! Anyway, it’s anecdotal… but there ya go.
And, if people are ever unhappy with any of the ebooks or whatever… I always give 100% of the money back, no questions asked.
I’m actually enjoying this line of debate as it definitely beats the ‘Is HDR a good thing or the devil seed?’ threads that have been cropping up everywhere over the past year or so.
For those of you who truly enjoy HDR enough to go out, shoot your bracketed images, come home, tone-map, and process them- you can surely relate, appreciate and understand the time that it takes to master all of it. It doesn’t come over night it requires a lot of discipline… more so if you are trying to develop your own style, look and brand the way Trey has with Stuck In Customs. And all the while, 98% of everything that he has shared of his brand has been free.
So, Trey comes out with two tiers of an excellent DVD series where he pours out the knowledge that he’s amassed on a style of photography that we are all crazy about, puts a price on these packages and some of you cry foul. I don’t really understand this posture. There is a free HDR tutorial that Trey has had online for years. He’s put out tons of free material in the past. And now he decides to offer a premium product for those of us who really appreciate his style and want to see how he goes above and beyond with his work. I think that is great. It is priced to what Trey thinks is fair and the best part is, as a member of a capitalist society (assuming you are a member of a capitalist society), you get to choose whether it is a fair price to you. If it isn’t perceived as fair, you get to keep your money. And if the price is out of your range right now but you really want it, save up for it. It’ll be that much more meaningful to you when it arrives in the mail. And when you get it and end up not caring for it, Trey has his refund policy. I see no issue here. Price is price. Believe it or not, there were production costs that went into developing this product and I’m pretty sure that making a profit is also factored in, to which I hope Trey makes a great profit. After all, it is a great product.
I’d like to quickly address a snippet that Mike made about HDR-Spotting editors and biased voting. I do take umbrage with that statement because I am one of the editors on HDR-Spotting and I’m lucky to work with a group of editors who really take the voting seriously. Without getting too defensive, let me assure you that we have plenty of debates over the merits of the images that we vote into ‘Features’ and ‘Editor’s Choice’. Furthermore, we have implemented an anonymity feature where the submitter’s name is hidden from view when voting. And if anyone is really hurting for an invite code to HDR-S, just drop me an email. I’ll be glad to help you out.
Cheers,
Brian
I just got the DVDs. Thanks Trey.
I recently finished the Premium DVD package and personally found it very helpful and informative. I picked up many useful tips and tricks throughout that I’m positive will make my HDR photos much much better. Worth every penny in my opinion. Thank you Trey for all of the work put into teaching me about your workflow and how you edit a picture. I’ll be putting all of it to good use in the near future!
Trey
Don’t want to particularly add to the “cost” debate, but like many others it’s a real live issue these days. With that in mind I use Elements 8 for my post-production work. Without the full Photoshop package will I still get the benefits of purchasing the DVDs ? …….. Or is this going to be like one of my wife’s shopping trips, where the “need” for a new pair of shoes suddenly results in the purchase of a complete new outfit ? ( No offence ladies )
Thanks all!
Caleb – glad you enjoyed the DVD – you are one of the first to receive the shipment and make it through all the DVDs! Congrats — should get you a badge or something!
Mimi – Elements is just fine !
It supports layers and masking, which is all that my techniques require. I do mention a few other Plugins for photoshop that you will not be able to use (I don’t think) — but that is not the bulk of the instruction.
Sorry Trey, I have to agree with the majority of comments here, you’ve ruined your good work by charging such massive prices, I guess I’ll have to look elsewhere!!
Hi Trey. To answer to Mimi, I use Elements with Topaz Adjust plug-in and it works just fine. I also use masking with it (with the adjustment layer “hack”).
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For anyone on the fence, I just got through the the 2nd session on the 3rd disk (I am not going in order) and I finally have the photoshop masksing to get rid of halos down. I needed to send an email for a possibly windows centric characteristic and this morning it worked. I have been trying to remix using layers etc. for more than 6 months (two books etc.) and his tutorial got me over the hump. Well worth the cost for that feature alone. Thanks Trey.
As a casual photographer, I am not an authority on this subject.However, I am a human being, so I can speak for us intelligent lifeforms.I am ashamed by the generation of people who have this sense of overblown entitlement.How dare you, Trey, in a semi-free world, put a price on your years of experience and travels.Even though you give us hours of your life for free every day, you have the audacity to ask a price for a comprehensive guide to these complicated techniques? Folks, quit crying.Even though at this time, I cannot purchase this set of dvd’s, I look forward to this future treat. RELAX PEOPLE!!
Trey,
I stumbled upon your picture of Mickey’s Sorcerer’s Hat from Disney’s MGM Studios this past Spring and ever since then, I’ve been a fan. Ever since then, I try to follow your site on a daily basis just to see what the next “daily” photo will be. When I saw that you were going to make a HDR DVD, I had to have it. It finally delivered to the house and I just finished watching all three DVD’s. While this DVD set is mostly an inside look at your workshops/photowalks, there are so many useful tips and tricks to get these HDR photos to have that great “look” that you are so associated with. Yes, there are even photoshop tips and tricks even though that is not what these DVD’s are about. I made notes for myself while watching the DVD’s so now, I can reference the DVD’s per my notes/topics covered. Cant wait to try some of the supplemental Photoshop plugins that were mentioned on the DVD’s to give my photos some extra “pop”. The photowalk portion of the DVD’s was very enlightening. I received many tips on composition, setting up a shot, settings, etc.
Was it worth the price. Well, like you said on a post earlier, its much cheaper than a college level course. I would buy it again without hesitation and am completely happy with my decision to purchase the DVD. For those that are a fan and have a genuine interest in this subject matter, the cost comments will be very minimal.
One question I do have though Trey, you mention to take a series of photos (5 stops) when shooting directly in the sunlight. How do i do that on a Canon? I can only go in three brackets (+2, 0, -2). Is this an exposure compensation thing? You mentioned that you had a trick for this on one of your photowalk videos but did not elaborate…
Thanks again Trey for all the great work, daily photos, e-books and especially this DVD. Keep it up!
Christ, if it’s not bad enough that the price is SSSSOOOO high, i’ve just realised that he is charging $18 delivery on top of that, the least he could’ve done, with such high prices to “copy” 3 dvds, is to offer free worldwide shipping. Thanks but no thanks.
Trey,
Two questions:
1) Do you plan to add an upgrade path from the standard to the premium set? I think some of people’s sticker shock might be that they feel they have to spend $400 to get everything. It might ease some fear if people could pay $200 for the basic set and then another $200 or so to get the rest.
2) How are the DVDs formatted? Are they actual video-DVDs, or are they data-DVDs that contain movie files? I ask because I would like to watch this on my iPad.
Thanks for the comments all.
Michael — If you ever want to upgrade, we can do something that is fair… no worries on a price that doesn’t make sense. Also, they are video-DVDs. On the 4th dvd (premium) – it’s also got data on it too…all the working files.
THanks all… Chucky, we are shipping fed-ex now so that we have tracking info… 4 DVDs in 4 cases is just pricey… no way around it I’m afraid. But we do need to be able to track DVDs so they don’t get lost.